JSA and PSA/DNA are the best things to happen to this hobby

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Travis bait

"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in....."

[joed25]

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by joed25

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

Not sure of the percentage, probably close....but otherwise, agree.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by joed25

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

Is that so? And how long have you been involved in "the hobby"?

[joed25]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Is that so? And how long have you been involved in "the hobby"?

Is what so?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by joed25

Is what so?

Your absurd statement (And I quote.):

"They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby."

[johnmh71]

Their percentage is probably more like 95%, but what would the hobby look like without them? It would be run over by forgers. But at least Travis would be happy.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Your absurd statement (And I quote.):

"They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby."

I believe that in order to determine the percentage of authentic/non-authentic, one would need the populations of both categories. I don't believe the former is published, so any guess as to their success rate would be just that.

I heard once that 86% of all statistics were made up on the spot. I'm not sure if that is exact, but I think it's close.

[RichardSimon]

PSA is brilliant in marketing and making money.
After that I am not so sure.

PSA/DNA reported on their site last year that they were approaching 3 million authentications, with a current rate of 35K per year. I think JSA's been around for 8 years or so? Would they have a comparable number? Are we looking at 5-6 million between the two to date, with the number climbing at a rate of over 1,000 per week?

How many fakes have been found? I take it some people on this site believe the number of fakes authenticated by these 2 companies is 10% or greater - meaning a half-million or more fakes are out there with PSA/DNA or JSA certs? If so, what's that extrapolation based on? When I search the 'net, I can't find more than a few hundred questionable/challenged items. Is there a site that documents tens of thousands?

Isn't there a big number of "slam dunks" that these guys verify - autographs that are extremely easy to authenticate, and autos verified at shows where the autograph guest is present? Wouldn't those alone ensure a relatively high overall accuracy rate?

FWIW, if you look at eBay sold and active listings, about 80% of PSA/DNA and JSA items are sports and 20% entertainment, so I'm guessing that's a good estimate for the split between the two autograph types.

[Maddog]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I believe that in order to determine the percentage of authentic/non-authentic, one would need the populations of both categories. I don't believe the former is published, so any guess as to their success rate would be just that.

I heard once that 86% of all statistics were made up on the spot. I'm not sure if that is exact, but I think it's close.

I once had a very skilled and knowledgeable Financial Statistican tell me (jokingly I hope)- Statistics are 50% whatever the client wanted and 50% guess work

[joed25]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Your absurd statement (And I quote.):

"They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby."

I Agree it is not 99%. Spoke to fast. Still I believe with sports they are almost always right and that is HUGE for the hobby where most collectors can't tell what's real or fake. There is a memorabilia store in my local mall in NJ where 90% of the items are clear forgeries and the store is pretty busy. David- What do you think the percentage is? Do you think PSA is bad for the hobby?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by joed25

What do you think the percentage is?

It can vary.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by joed25

They are right 99% of the time. Only a moron thinks they are bad for the hobby.

I would guess the percentage is much lower. I think they are better than nothing, but only for people who know nothing about autographs - for them it's a better crapshoot than the alternative.

[joed25]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I would guess the percentage is much lower. I think they are better than nothing, but only for people who know nothing about autographs - for them it's a better crapshoot than the alternative.

I agree. I wrote a little too fast. I don't think it's 99% but in my opinion it is close. I hate their high fees... But I can't understand how travesty thinks its bad for the hobby. Try finding a PSA certified Mantle or Dimmagio ball on eBay that is really fake. You will have a very difficult time. So for the uneducated collector PSA is a very good thing.

[Leon]

And my apologies for my post in this thread. I posted while thinking of the card side of PSA. As for the autograph PSA/DNA.....I really have no comment.

[shelly]

Joed. you are only looking at the sprots side. They have made so many mistakes on the entertainment side it is a joke. At this point in time they are the lesser of the two evils. Morales, Muller,Galo, Max, ACE and so on.
That being said there are a few people on this site I would trust more that PSA or Jimmey.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by shelly

Joed. you are only looking at the sprots side. They have made so many mistakes on the entertainment side it is a joke. At this point in time they are the lesser of the two evils. Morales, Muller,Galo, Max, ACE and so on.
That being said there are a few people on this site I would trust more that PSA or Jimmey.

You kidding? Morales#1

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

You kidding? Morales#1

Was not ranking them by importance. Just by name.

[joed25]

Originally Posted by shelly

Joed. you are only looking at the sprots side. They have made so many mistakes on the entertainment side it is a joke. At this point in time they are the lesser of the two evils. Morales, Muller,Galo, Max, ACE and so on.
That being said there are a few people on this site I would trust more that PSA or Jimmey.

Good point Shelly. I only know about sports. Nothing about entertainment...