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View Poll Results: Will AROD ever play another MLB game again!
AROD WILL play in the MLB again. 89 53.29%
AROD is done...he will never play another MLB game again! 78 46.71%
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:07 PM
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If MLB and MLBPA are serious about getting the game cleaned up they could resolve the problems with three simple things in the CBA:

1. Give teams the option of voiding the balance of multi-year contracts of officially punished PED users;

2. Mandate WADA random testing of any player caught using PEDs for the rest of his career; and

3. Mandate a morals clause in every contract that requires the signatory to swear under penalty of perjury that he hasn't used PEDs and that expressly states that the club is relying on that representation of fact in choosing to enter into the agreement. If he is proven to have violated that condition, the club could then go to court and seek to void the contract for fraud independent of MLB discipline.

Look, if I had the skills and needed a boost before free agency, I'd use PEDs give the slap on the wrist sanctions in place. As it stands now, a guy like Braun can take a penalty that represents a third of his income for his least lucrative contract year, rest up until next year, and then come back and get paid the balance of his contract. That isn't a deterrent, it is a cost of doing business, like the anticipated cost of killing and maiming a certain number of people every year from exploding Ford Pinto cars rather than fixing the gas tank. Players like these a-holes need a hammer like punitive damages hanging over their heads so that they aren't tempted to make a cost-benefit analysis in the first place. "Oh no you don't" clauses are commonplace to prohibit risky activities like motorcycling or playing basketball, so why not for PED use?
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:50 PM
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Exhibitman,

In this thread or the Ryan Braun thread, I said a similar thing and amde a similar proposal.

For a first time infraction, the player is banned for one year and his contract is voided. When he comes back, he gets a one year deal, at league minimum pay and there can be no incentive clauses or anything which allows him to make any extra money from baseball during that year.

For a second violation, the cheater has his contract voided (again) and he is banned from baseball for life. This means no consideration for the Hall Of Fame. No working as a coach, manager, special assistant or ANYTHING to do with MLB.

take away the greed and ego factors and most of these guys will stop using PED's.

Oh yeah, one other thing, if MLB has the goods on these players and they have broken the law, turn over the evidence to the Feds or local police and let them face criminal charges.

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If MLB and MLBPA are serious about getting the game cleaned up they could resolve the problems with three simple things in the CBA:

1. Give teams the option of voiding the balance of multi-year contracts of officially punished PED users;

2. Mandate WADA random testing of any player caught using PEDs for the rest of his career; and

3. Mandate a morals clause in every contract that requires the signatory to swear under penalty of perjury that he hasn't used PEDs and that expressly states that the club is relying on that representation of fact in choosing to enter into the agreement. If he is proven to have violated that condition, the club could then go to court and seek to void the contract for fraud independent of MLB discipline.

Look, if I had the skills and needed a boost before free agency, I'd use PEDs give the slap on the wrist sanctions in place. As it stands now, a guy like Braun can take a penalty that represents a third of his income for his least lucrative contract year, rest up until next year, and then come back and get paid the balance of his contract. That isn't a deterrent, it is a cost of doing business, like the anticipated cost of killing and maiming a certain number of people every year from exploding Ford Pinto cars rather than fixing the gas tank. Players like these a-holes need a hammer like punitive damages hanging over their heads so that they aren't tempted to make a cost-benefit analysis in the first place. "Oh no you don't" clauses are commonplace to prohibit risky activities like motorcycling or playing basketball, so why not for PED use?
As much as I would love to see that terminology in the contracts, I don't think players will agree to that, but I hope they do and maybe the union can get some leverage into that.
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I used to work in the financial services industry. I had to get a drug test before I was hired. I had to agree to being randomly tested (if they thought I was doing drugs) and they could fire me for a failed test. There was nothing athletic about my job. I am sure there are other professions where tkaing a drug test and failing it would also get you fired.

Now, if I (and others) had to go through that then I would think that if enough fans made enough of a stink about steroids and PED's then MLB and the Players Association would be able to hammer out a contract where players would get their contract voided or terminated for a failed test.

If the two sides couldn't or didn't agree about this then it would show which side was serious about getting the cheaters out of baseball and which wasn't.

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Will today be the day we finally get the verdict?
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A-Rod has officially been banned through the end of the 2014 season...although it goes into effect August 8. Can't imagine he'll play the next three games, but who knows.

It's fair to say his career is over. Is he really going to come back right before his 40th birthday after having missed two whole seasons?
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If George was alive today, what would he do with A-Rod?
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So he'll fight it and end up with a lifetime ban, which he deserves in my opinion.
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They will tweak it downward as a result of the appeal, either the arbitrator himself or by a consensual agreement. They're handing him a what, 211 game suspension? Seems a little arbitrary if not capricious, doesn't it? If Selig wants to use the best interests of baseball clause of the CBA, go ahead and watch the manure fly; otherwise, by what authority do you discipline a previously unpunished player 211 games?
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