Discussion and questions on e105's

[Stonepony]

I sold an incredible PSA 7 Patsy Doughery Mello-Mint through an auction house this Spring. Population prior to that sale was 1 PSA 2. I was hoping for strong action as the set, and that player within the set are fairly scare. I was disappointed in the hammer price...perhaps the issue just isn't that popular....

[sb1]

Somewhere in the distant past I bought a hoard of E105's(approx. 66 I believe). This is where a large part of the graded ones came from. Most were graded, some by PSA and some SGC, and about 20 of each were Bescher and Knight most of these were all high grade 6's and 7's. As I recall there were about 8 more players in the group, with some having a half dozen and some being one of ones. Later from the same source I bought 6 Cy Youngs. All of these were from an original accumulation put away many years ago by a non collector. These came from either South Carolina or North Carolina, I can't recall which. None of them had been creased vertically, even the few lower grade ones.

[RCMcKenzie]

From 1997-2001 I assembled 22 different examples.

To answer your question about Wagner and Bender...It's Wagner bat and throw and Bender white hat, striped hat.

I had a raw O'Hara that was a conservative vg/e, so that is not the lone PSA example that is graded 1.

I had a raw McLean that was fair, so that could possibly be the now graded example of PSA 1, or maybe not.

On the crease... My belief is that one employee had the habit of creasing the cards before placing them in the gum package. The other four or five employees did not fold them. My anecdotal look at the set showed me that about 1 in 4 or 5 was creased.

The set could be completed because all 50 are known to exist, but you would need a lot of co-operation between fellow collectors.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

To answer your question about Wagner and Bender...It's Wagner bat and throw and Bender white hat, striped hat.

SGC shows 3 versions for each player with the above 2 versions mentioned for each player...what is the 3rd version of the Wagner and Bender?

[RCMcKenzie]

In each case, SGC did not differentiate between the two variations. In other words the flip does not indicate either variation, so it creates a third flip variation, but not an actual card variation.

Nice Hartsel example, Jim. I may have to start collecting this set again. Should I start with the Mathewson on BST?

[cfc1909]

Rob is right on Bender and Wagner. As far as I know there are only 2 each

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I sold an incredible PSA 7 Patsy Doughery Mello-Mint through an auction house this Spring. Population prior to that sale was 1 PSA 2. I was hoping for strong action as the set, and that player within the set are fairly scare. I was disappointed in the hammer price...perhaps the issue just isn't that popular....

If I have said it once I have said it a million times . The demand side of the equation is far more important, in our space, than the supply side for determining value. Yes, they both have a bearing on the value side of the equation, however the demand side is much more important.

But to the original questions, I have my opinion in RED. - then a more common HOF'er picked up raw on ebay, 10+ yrs ago...

There are 6 cards that PSA has the only graded copy and 4 cards that only SGC has graded. This leads me to the rest of my questions on this set. First, what percentage of Mello-Mints are graded? 25% & debateable Is there the presumption that more will surface as they were distributed only in Texas or are we done? I would think there has to be a few more residing in that big state hidden away. I think more will surface. Lipset wrote all cards were equal in population, but these numbers beg to differ 35 years and an internet later. I have seen very few raw examples in the past couple years. Would this have to rank as one of the impossible sets? Almost Nothing is impossible Are there any set collectors hiding out there? Yes, not me. I know there has been a couple member here that tried and stopped and another couple more that I thought were attempting this massive feat. Any input, pics or help would be more than appreciated.

[cfc1909]

I collect Bender white & stripe cap cards but only when the caption is Baltimore. E106 Bender is Baltimore caption and e105 Bender is Philadelphia caption. Same pose different back. So my lone e105 for my type is Hartsel purchased about 6 or 8 years ago.





never really attempted the set and just picked up a vg example as a type. thanks for the detailed information on the population of the set.

I don't know of any complete sets. I know of one close to complete and it is raw. Not sure how many cards are missing but I think its just 2.

[pete zouras]

My mello-mint typecard. Interesting thread!

[ScottFandango]

Steve, thanks for the research on this very difficult set....

I need my joe Jackson e90-1 before I go for the mello...

Good luck to those who attempt...

Steve, you ask for trouble don't you? First the 14 CJs now this...

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

Steve, thanks for the research on this very difficult set....

I need my joe Jackson e90-1 before I go for the mello...

Good luck to those who attempt...

Steve, you ask for trouble don't you? First the 14 CJs now this...

I'm not sniffing this set...yet, but it would be ever so sweet.

I did have a pipe dream on the 1914s, but in the end here most of mine are 1915s. I have a few HOFers including the Chance and a no number Bres. I got the other 3 cards (Callahan, Cashion and Lord) that aren't included in the 1915s, but that Pratt is pricey and the wife would hang me if I ever bought a 1914 Matty - total dream card there. Im just happy to be 1 card shy!

Looks like you had a nice day Daryl!