Spalding Ford Frick Ball - Not What It Seems

[Shoeless Moe]

Another question for Brandon, his ebay account Historyofthebaseball was set up in the fall of 2012, surely he that wasn't his 1st ebay account, he's been buying vintage balls for years, so what is the account you had prior to HOTBB?

And until dim-WIT produces a receipt, and please don't doctor it (your specialty, oh wait no, that's balls, wait, I'm confused who am I talking about here Wit, B, or mystery friend, I don't know starting to get confused.)

And with 3 friends involved here, buyer seller reseller, seems like there could have been a good chance these may have been shill bids. If B knows the seller why does he need to place a bid.....and $300 isn't very large for a guy who has paid thousands for balls on ebay. Why doesn't he tell him to take it down, no he places a bid on the ball?????? Why not out him here and let everyone know in advance not to bid.

[Shoeless Moe]

I mean what are the odds of being outbid on a ball u owned but was given to a friend after it was doctored, then bidding on it, then losing to another friend, with all the other collectors in the country out there, and then the bidder who won is willing to insult and swear to defend the underbidder/previous owner/doctorer of the ball.

[Shoeless Moe]

And our 2 time poster Wit also placed the 1st bid in that auction, along with the winning one, ya know to get the bidding going.......yah uhhhh huh.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And our 2 time poster Wit also placed the 1st bid in that auction, along with the winning one, ya know to get the bidding going.......yah uhhhh huh.

Absolutely!! Who in their right mind would place a low bid on an item early, not only to watch the item, but to make sure the seller knows somebody is interested, only to go back at the very end and put their REAL bid in? You know, like sniping??

Seriously Paul? You've never done this? What's with the witch hunt??

Ken

[vintagebrett]

I'm not seeking witches, just the truth. eBay bidding aside, I'd like you all to take a second to visit http://archive.org - if you've never been there, it's a great resource for many different things, including viewing old webpages.

On the first page type in the web address pastimebaseballs.com

You will see that it has crawled the site 6 times. If you view one of the views from 2010 or 2011 you will see the list of baseballs, etc they reproduce, etc.

Click on the 2013 portion of the timeline and it brings you up to date with what the site has been changed to - interesting.

[vintagebrett]

I apologize for not being clearer in my earlier post but when you follow the steps below, you will find that it will point you to the historyofthebaseball website. For some reason, there is a direct correlation between the former pastimebaseballs.com website and the current historyofthebaseball website.

Originally Posted by vintagebrett

I'm not seeking witches, just the truth. eBay bidding aside, I'd like you all to take a second to visit http://archive.org - if you've never been there, it's a great resource for many different things, including viewing old webpages.

On the first page type in the web address pastimebaseballs.com

You will see that it has crawled the site 6 times. If you view one of the views from 2010 or 2011 you will see the list of baseballs, etc they reproduce, etc.

Click on the 2013 portion of the timeline and it brings you up to date with what the site has been changed to - interesting.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Absolutely!! Who in their right mind would place a low bid on an item early, not only to watch the item, but to make sure the seller knows somebody is interested, only to go back at the very end and put their REAL bid in? You know, like sniping??

Seriously Paul? You've never done this? What's with the witch hunt??

Ken

That could very well have happened as well, possible, but what are the odds of with all the vintage ball collectors out there, the seller, the winner and the underbidder(who "sold" the ball to the seller) all know each other? When was the last time u saw that happen?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

That could very well have happened as well, possible, but what are the odds of with all the vintage ball collectors out there, the seller, the winner and the underbidder(who "sold" the ball to the seller) all know each other? When was the last time u saw that happen?

I don't particularly think the amount of vintage ball collectors is all that huge.

I collect game used bats. I have bid on items from sellers I've known and lost out to collectors I've known quite often. Same with autographs.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I don't particularly think the amount of vintage ball collectors is all that huge.

I collect game used bats. I have bid on items from sellers I've known and lost out to collectors I've known quite often. Same with autographs.

More often than not I am competing with pretty good hobby friends on things I want. And many times if we were to look at the bidders of an item, I would probably know every single one of them,...even if there are 5+ different bidders. Just look on the card side. I went head to head in the last month with Wonka and Peter Ullmands on cards we all wanted. If someone were bidding against 3-4 guys that are good hobby friends I would find it very normal. I would almost think it abnormal if some of my friends weren't bidding on the same cards I was....And my guess is that the baseballs hobby is smaller than the card hobby.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I don't particularly think the amount of vintage ball collectors is all that huge.

I collect game used bats. I have bid on items from sellers I've known and lost out to collectors I've known quite often. Same with autographs.

but....did u ever buy one, switch the name of the player on the bat, sell it to a friend, who then sells it as an original, then place a bid on it, then be outbid by another friend, then call the winning bidder, have them cancel the transaction with the seller who they have used as their account or paypal or something in the past, yet this "friend" who was over at your house, refuses to answer the phone, that you sold to him and bid on, so the winning bidder "who u have had battles with trying to win vintage baseballs" with gets contacted believes the underbidders story that its a fake all within 2 hours of the auction ending, rather than posting a comment on this board outing the fake, like we often do here to help out our fellow collectors into not getting duped, but making no mention of this auction, that oddly enough Brandon stumbled on, but doesn't try to get him to cancel the auction when he first noticed it, but after the sale is complete.