Spalding Ford Frick Ball - Not What It Seems

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Absolutely!! Who in their right mind would place a low bid on an item early, not only to watch the item, but to make sure the seller knows somebody is interested, only to go back at the very end and put their REAL bid in? You know, like sniping??

Seriously Paul? You've never done this? What's with the witch hunt??

Ken

That could very well have happened as well, possible, but what are the odds of with all the vintage ball collectors out there, the seller, the winner and the underbidder(who "sold" the ball to the seller) all know each other? When was the last time u saw that happen?

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

That could very well have happened as well, possible, but what are the odds of with all the vintage ball collectors out there, the seller, the winner and the underbidder(who "sold" the ball to the seller) all know each other? When was the last time u saw that happen?

I don't particularly think the amount of vintage ball collectors is all that huge.

I collect game used bats. I have bid on items from sellers I've known and lost out to collectors I've known quite often. Same with autographs.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I don't particularly think the amount of vintage ball collectors is all that huge.

I collect game used bats. I have bid on items from sellers I've known and lost out to collectors I've known quite often. Same with autographs.

More often than not I am competing with pretty good hobby friends on things I want. And many times if we were to look at the bidders of an item, I would probably know every single one of them,...even if there are 5+ different bidders. Just look on the card side. I went head to head in the last month with Wonka and Peter Ullmands on cards we all wanted. If someone were bidding against 3-4 guys that are good hobby friends I would find it very normal. I would almost think it abnormal if some of my friends weren't bidding on the same cards I was....And my guess is that the baseballs hobby is smaller than the card hobby.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I don't particularly think the amount of vintage ball collectors is all that huge.

I collect game used bats. I have bid on items from sellers I've known and lost out to collectors I've known quite often. Same with autographs.

but....did u ever buy one, switch the name of the player on the bat, sell it to a friend, who then sells it as an original, then place a bid on it, then be outbid by another friend, then call the winning bidder, have them cancel the transaction with the seller who they have used as their account or paypal or something in the past, yet this "friend" who was over at your house, refuses to answer the phone, that you sold to him and bid on, so the winning bidder "who u have had battles with trying to win vintage baseballs" with gets contacted believes the underbidders story that its a fake all within 2 hours of the auction ending, rather than posting a comment on this board outing the fake, like we often do here to help out our fellow collectors into not getting duped, but making no mention of this auction, that oddly enough Brandon stumbled on, but doesn't try to get him to cancel the auction when he first noticed it, but after the sale is complete.

[earlywynnfan]

Nope, done none of that. Therefore, we should stop posting and march over to Brandon's house and shoot him.


Have you ever been in the middle of a situation where you looked bad but knew you had done nothing wrong? And it took time and effort to sort it all out? And people you thought were your friends turned on you? Isn't it possible that this is what's happening to Brandon??

I don't know what your day job is, but if there's ever an opening for judge, jury, and executioner, you should apply. Someone who sees things so clearly and appears to know everything would be great in that position.

Ken

Helpful Hint: if you do apply, on your resume, actually spell out the word "you." It makes people think you graduated High School.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

I don't know what your day job is......

bounty hunter

[Shoeless Moe]

So if Wit won't produce the order details, can Brandon at least explain why he placed a bid on a ball he thought was fake a day b4 the auction ended, and if his thinking as was mentioned was so that no one else would win it, 1. why $300, that surely doesn't guarantee no one else wins it, place it at $1,000 since u know u are not going to pay it, then yes that way it makes it believeable. $400 "won" it. So $300 obviously wasn't an attempt to win it.

And 2. since your bid was placed the day b4 the auction ended, why do you not post a comment about a fake baseball out on Ebay. You are the expert, don't u like helping fellow collectors into not being duped. A comment would have ensured no one her would bid on it.

No comments until after it was outed.

If that can be explained I'll walk away and retract my doubts.

[Runscott]

Shelly, I'm sure he realized that he would get thrown under the bus - if a situation comes up where your reputation could be damaged permanently, it's probably best to seek advice privately. But we all handle such situations differently - I would have gone to Leon and asked him for a contact to get the ball removed, then I would have posted to let everyone here know what I had done. But I don't know Brandon and there could also be additional detail about this that we don't know.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Shelly, I'm sure he realized that he would get thrown under the bus - if a situation comes up where your reputation could be damaged permanently, it's probably best to seek advice privately. But we all handle such situations differently - I would have gone to Leon and asked him for a contact to get the ball removed, then I would have posted to let everyone here know what I had done. But I don't know Brandon and there could also be additional detail about this that we don't know.

I would take that statement as you agree. If it had been taken down this would not be an issue. He did not have to go to Leon all he needed to post and ask to have it taken down. The chance of that happening is really high.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

I would take that statement as you agree. If it had been taken down this would not be an issue. He did not have to go to Leon all he needed to post and ask to have it taken down. The chance of that happening is really high.

No, I don't agree. As I stated, posting publicly about something like this is the best way to get thrown under the bus by some who have logical responses, but also by others who are truly idiots. It might be the way to go for some, but I wouldn't draw and quarter Brandon for choosing not to. I think his failure was in not getting the auction ended, but anyone with half a brain could see that it would have been worse than moronic for Brandon to screw his reputation over something like this. Not saying he didn't, but it's not at all logical.