Rube was good but...

[ullmandds]

uhhhh...rube marguard...not rube foster!

[Clutch-Hitter]

Here's the link to the previous thread (my photobucket pictures have since been rearranged so do not appear):

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=131276

[scooter729]

I went with Rube Foster, assuming it was a Boston item. Thanks for the info....

[Clutch-Hitter]

1917 Youth's Companion and 1914 Lawrence Semon Postcards (not mine):
(Leon, borrowed your image from previous thread)

[Prof_Plum]

Thought I'd try to find an accompanying photo. Seems pretty darn close but strangely, he doesn't look to be throwing a knuckle ball.



edit - I now notice his glove hand is higher in the photo.

[quinnsryche]

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

[ullmandds]

tony...i agree...or +1 as some like to say!!!!

[jhs5120]

+2

Certainly looks like Ruth.

[Cardboard Junkie]

That stamp IS in beautiful condition. Dave.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

That's interesting...I'd guess it's generic in design because it was intended to be purely educational.

The details in the faces look the same to me: shape of heads, mouths, eyes, etc, but the quality of the postcard image was better. Even if we looked at it trying to see Babe Ruth, we know the image is of Marquard, with no name, and base subjective identity on it being a Boston item and lefty pitcher (identified as Rube Marquard). And because it's Marquard, we can erase the lefty pitcher part and are left with it being from Boston only. That is extremely subjective and a long, long stretch. Interesting perspective though.

I spent a lot of time and years trying to see Babe Ruth on there just like many, many other people. It's not him in the photo AND his name isn't on it.

[Clutch-Hitter]

The publishers must have liked red borders around their images (not mine!):

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

That was my inclination as well. +1

[Leon]

And for the record, Beckett now grades this stamp rightfully as Marquard. To me, but I guess not many others, it's hard to argue with a positive id. Bob Lemke also stated he is/did change it in the SCD...

http://b-lauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=2806



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[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

There's no doubt that the face work has changed. It's obviously a copy of Marquard, but the stamp definitely looks more like Ruth.

[darwinbulldog]

I don't know. Sure looks like the same guy to me.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I went with Rube Foster, assuming it was a Boston item. Thanks for the info....

FYI, am guessing you maybe meant Waddell (?) though he never played for Boston. Anyway just as FYI, Rube Foster is one of the greatest (maybe the greatest) early 20th century black pitcher, and is known as the "father of black baseball" for his work playing (in), managing (in), and organizing (of) the negro leagues.

Lots of early 20th Century Rubes to keep track of for sure ... Wish the nickname would make a comeback.

Quick link to wiki..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Foster

[h2oya311]

Also, I don't seem to see any Brooklyn Robins uniforms w/ red stripes on their socks!!!

As an FYI, Back in the early 2000s, this stamp was listed as a 1916 issue (and graded as such). I almost grabbed one as an affordable Ruth rookie, but glad I didn't, given the subsequent date ammendment and now all the speculation over who the player is!!

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Also, I don't seem to see any Brooklyn Robins uniforms w/ red stripes on their socks!!!

You haven't?

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

You haven't?

These are the unis from 1916-17:

http://baseballeras.blogspot.com/201...ltime.html?m=1

See #5 for the fugliest uniforms of all time!!

Anyway, if you do a Dressed to the Nines search, it looks like Brooklyn Tip-tops of rhe Federal league did use red stripes on their socks from 1914-15, but not the Brooklyn Robins. That said, maybe the makers of the Youth's Companion Stamp AND the 1916-20 Big Heads felt inclined to make the Brooklyn Robins uniform look cooler by adding red to the socks. I guess that's logical.

Also, and more importantly, why does Leon Cadore have a large "C" on his uniform???

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Also, and more importantly, why does Leon Cadore have a large "C" on his uniform???

I'm in the process of figuring out that and some other details in the set...going on three years now. BTW, the Cadore card looks more like Judge and the Judge card looks less like Judge...Still need a few for my set, including the great one mentioned here.

Have a pleasant evening fellas

[howard38]

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[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by howard38

He was referring to this guy:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...osteru01.shtml

Oh well.. Like I said too many Rubes to keep track of

[ullmandds]

WOW...over $1900 for Babe...I mean Rube W...insane!!!

[Mikehealer]

Nice pick up Pete.