Rube was good but...

[quinnsryche]

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

[ullmandds]

tony...i agree...or +1 as some like to say!!!!

[jhs5120]

+2

Certainly looks like Ruth.

[Cardboard Junkie]

That stamp IS in beautiful condition. Dave.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

That's interesting...I'd guess it's generic in design because it was intended to be purely educational.

The details in the faces look the same to me: shape of heads, mouths, eyes, etc, but the quality of the postcard image was better. Even if we looked at it trying to see Babe Ruth, we know the image is of Marquard, with no name, and base subjective identity on it being a Boston item and lefty pitcher (identified as Rube Marquard). And because it's Marquard, we can erase the lefty pitcher part and are left with it being from Boston only. That is extremely subjective and a long, long stretch. Interesting perspective though.

I spent a lot of time and years trying to see Babe Ruth on there just like many, many other people. It's not him in the photo AND his name isn't on it.

[Clutch-Hitter]

The publishers must have liked red borders around their images (not mine!):

[bn2cardz]

There was disclaimer added yesterday pointing out that some believe it isn't ruth, though they do strongly suggest that it is Ruth.

From the auction:

On May-29-13 at 13:23:33 PDT, seller added the following information:
Please note: there is an on-going debate regarding this item as to whether it depicts Rube Marquard or Babe Ruth. It's the opinion of PSA, SGC, and other grading companies that this card depicts Babe Ruth, though it is confirmed that the body image is from a 1914 postcard of Rube Marquard. That said, it's our opinion that the image on this stamp varies from the image shown on the 1914 Marquard postcard, showing a meaningful difference. The fact that this image very closely resembles Babe Ruth is what's led many (including PSA) to believe this image is different from the original postcard image of Rube Marquard. That said, there is not definitive proof either way, so please bid accordingly.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

There was disclaimer added yesterday pointing out that some believe it isn't ruth, though they do strongly suggest that it is Ruth.

From the auction:

It's an exact picture on the stamp, taken from the magazine. This guy in red is Ruth too, after his first pitching win...And for the record I have at least one of the stamps so am certainly not feathering my own nest. Whomever pays all that money...come see me. I will sell you one for half that much...

[h2oya311]

+3

Looks like Ruth and it appears they widened the nose on the stamp and furled the mouth a bit. Also, the cheeks look a little chubbier and not as chiseled as the 1914 Marquard PC shown.

I think there was *possibly* an intent to make the pitcher look like Ruth and not Marquard...

[Leon]

It's Marquard not Ruth. Anyone thinking that is Ruth, to me, is fantasizing. It's an exact photo match. Do we need fingerprints and blood samples? sheesh....

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

That was my inclination as well. +1

[Leon]

And for the record, Beckett now grades this stamp rightfully as Marquard. To me, but I guess not many others, it's hard to argue with a positive id. Bob Lemke also stated he is/did change it in the SCD...

http://b-lauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=2806



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[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by Leon

And for the record, Beckett now grades this stamp rightfully as Marquard. To me, but I guess not many others, it's hard to argue with a positive id. Bob Lemke also stated he is/did change it in the SCD...

http://b-lauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?inventoryid=2806



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Leon, thanks very much for the mention!

[glchen]

Has this been changed in the most recent SCD yet? (I only have the 2010 copy.) Also, does anyone know if SGC has changed this to Marquard yet like Beckett? I see this old listing from Goodwin for SGC here Link, but I don't see it in SGC's population reports anymore, so I'm wondering if they've also modified it.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

Has this been changed in the most recent SCD yet? (I only have the 2010 copy.) Also, does anyone know if SGC has changed this to Marquard yet like Beckett? I see this old listing from Goodwin for SGC here Link, but I don't see it in SGC's population reports anymore, so I'm wondering if they've also modified it.

The 2011 scd has it still as Ruth and the 2013 Vintage SCD guide omitted it altogether....from what I can tell. I will admit that Marquard had a resemblance to Ruth. For me that is about as far as this stamp gets to being Ruth. But if others want to believe it's Ruth, more power to them, even though it clearly isn't to me.

[z28jd]

I agree with most others, it's obviously Marquard's pose, but looks like it was changed to resemble Ruth's face. It's a fairly low-quality production piece, so I could see that happening

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

The face in the artwork looks to be changed so that it looks more like Ruth than Marquard IMO. Could it possibly have been the original intention of the distributor to take the original photo and make it loook like Ruth intentionally? Just wondering.

There's no doubt that the face work has changed. It's obviously a copy of Marquard, but the stamp definitely looks more like Ruth.

[darwinbulldog]

I don't know. Sure looks like the same guy to me.