Fair shake; calling out Kirk Keith

[Wite3]

see above...you made it between all of us when you posted on a public forum...would you like the definition of public?

[Wite3]

And just so you know...Sean is absolutely correct...if you took him to court the burden would be yours to prove what he said was not true...not the other way around.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Wite3

see above...you made it between all of us when you posted on a public forum...would you like the definition of public?

no wite you made it about you when you commented. Did I ask for anyones comments? I specifically called out kirk keith..THATS IT. You decided to comment so YOU involved yourself. Nobody forced you to comment. Youre not kirk and I never did anything to you so dont sit here and act like its affecting you

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

no wite you made it about you when you commented. Did I ask for anyones comments? I specifically called out kirk keith..THATS IT. You decided to comment so YOU involved yourself. Nobody forced you to comment. Youre not kirk and I never did anything to you so dont sit here and act like its affecting you

You've offered before so how about you show me your paypal and bill me later logs? Apologizing and saying you are 'dumb' isn't a good enough excuse for losing thousands of dollars the way you did - I would deem that there is something more to it - prove me wrong. I would be more than happy to post a public apology and say I think nothing fishy is going on, if I in fact think nothing fishy is going on. I dealt with online intangible goods for years, where things like what you are doing are very common and many people get screwed. I call 100% bullshit on everything you say.

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S34N B4551K

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

You've offered before so how about you show me your paypal and bill me later logs? Apologizing and saying you are 'dumb' isn't a good enough excuse for losing thousands of dollars the way you did - I would deem that there is something more to it - prove me wrong.

so what are you assuming then?

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

so what are you assuming then?

I am calling you a liar, and you have yet to prove otherwise.

S34N B4551K

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I am calling you a liar, and you have yet to prove otherwise.

S34N B4551K

sean- personally you can call me a liar until your blue in the face. Did I ever do anything personally to you??? im not concerned what you think of me honestly

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

sean- personally you can call me a liar until your blue in the face. Did I ever do anything personally to you??? im not concerned what you think of me honestly

You don't have to do something to me personally for me to share my opinion that I think you are a liar do I? I will be happy to post on your behalf if it warrants it... Until then I digress.

[Exhibitman]

I like applesauce.

[CobbvLajoie1910]

.......where have you gone Pet-er C, Net54 turns its lonely eyes to you. Woohoohooo.

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

You've offered before so how about you show me your paypal and bill me later logs? Apologizing and saying you are 'dumb' isn't a good enough excuse for losing thousands of dollars the way you did - I would deem that there is something more to it - prove me wrong. I would be more than happy to post a public apology and say I think nothing fishy is going on, if I in fact think nothing fishy is going on. I dealt with online intangible goods for years, where things like what you are doing are very common and many people get screwed. I call 100% bullshit on everything you say.

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S34N B4551K

ill show you my logs privately. Dont turn into kirk please.

[Wite3]

How this affects me...

I read your original post because it was not specifically Kirk, you changed that.

It affects me because you have proven that you are not to be trusted (I actually thank you for that).

It affects me that people I have done business with and consider friends have been affected by you.

It affects me that I support this board...you have yet to post anything of note or interest concerning vintage cards.

I am done...just wanted to vent...you have proven yourself an idiot...not going to give you any more attention...troll

Joshua

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by Wite3

How this affects me...

I read your original post because it was not specifically Kirk, you changed that.

It affects me because you have proven that you are not to be trusted (I actually thank you for that).

It affects me that people I have done business with and consider friends have been affected by you.

It affects me that I support this board...you have yet to post anything of note or interest concerning vintage cards.

I am done...just wanted to vent...you have proven yourself an idiot...not going to give you any more attention...troll

Joshua

BS! you didnt know anything about me until now. If it affected you so much why is this the first time youve made any comments about it?? Youre full of it and you just wanna be a drama queen

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by JoeyF1981

no wite you made it about you when you commented. Did I ask for anyones comments? I specifically called out kirk keith..THATS IT. You decided to comment so YOU involved yourself. Nobody forced you to comment. Youre not kirk and I never did anything to you so dont sit here and act like its affecting you

If your not looking for anyone else to comment just PM the guy your looking for, don't make a public issue of it.

[kcohen]

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I think other than Joey and Kirk, I know more about this situation than anybody else on this board, so maybe I can shed some light on this. Joey has done some shady things. There is no doubt about that and he even admits it. But who here or anywhere else can say that Joey scammed them out of money? I’m not talking about a couple of bucks for return shipping or something like that – I am talking about serious money. Who here has lost money to Joey Farino? Anyone? No? Not one? I didn’t think so.

Joey may not be the kind of person you want to do business with and I don’t blame you for that. But he has never scammed anybody out of any money. Period! On the other hand, I have seen Kirk follow Joey around to at least 4 different message boards (including this one) and constantly make wild accusations that he can’t back up and stalk the guy. If Kirk could back up his accusations, he would have commented by now. It’s like he’s obsessed with Joey and won’t leave him alone. Come on, he texts the guy just to stalk him. How screwed up in the head is that? I told Joey to retain an attorney and take him to court and I hope he follows my advice.

This is not the first time Kirk has been accused of doing something like this. Below is a thread on CU from less than a month ago that Kirk started about Joey, and another CU member named Danny spoke up and accused Kirk of the same thing (harassment). How did Kirk respond? Well, he didn’t. Crickets! Just like this thread. Just read post #8 in the thread below. That should tell you a lot about Kirk’s character.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...81&STARTPAGE=1

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[mcadams]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I think other than Joey and Kirk, I know more about this situation than anybody else on this board, so maybe I can shed some light on this. Joey has done some shady things. There is no doubt about that and he even admits it. But who here or anywhere else can say that Joey scammed them out of money? I’m not talking about a couple of bucks for return shipping or something like that – I am talking about serious money. Who here has lost money to Joey Farino? Anyone? No? Not one? I didn’t think so.

Joey may not be the kind of person you want to do business with and I don’t blame you for that. But he has never scammed anybody out of any money. Period! On the other hand, I have seen Kirk follow Joey around to at least 4 different message boards (including this one) and constantly make wild accusations that he can’t back up and stalk the guy. If Kirk could back up his accusations, he would have commented by now. It’s like he’s obsessed with Joey and won’t leave him alone. Come on, he texts the guy just to stalk him. How screwed up in the head is that? I told Joey to retain an attorney and take him to court and I hope he follows my advice.

This is not the first time Kirk has been accused of doing something like this. Below is a thread on CU from less than a month ago that Kirk started about Joey, and another CU member named Danny spoke up and accused Kirk of the same thing (harassment). How did Kirk respond? Well, he didn’t. Crickets! Just like this thread. Just read post #8 in the thread below. That should tell you a lot about Kirk’s character.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...81&STARTPAGE=1

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David- We don't know each other, but I've read plenty of your posts here over the years. I was very surprised to read your comments above where you practically turn the situation around, as if Kirk is the bad guy.

Joey has admitted that he frequently sells cards on ebay and then back outs of the transaction. Even worse, he's also admitted that he wins auctions on ebay and doesn't pay. People are now aware of Joey's BS, and so now Joey creates new usernames every few weeks/months so that people don't know who he is.

Kirk proactively lets people know when he's identified Joey posing under a new alias on Ebay or on CU BST, so that people can avoid him. But you have the gall to insinuate that Kirk is somehow the bad guy here? That's not harassment, that is Kirk protecting his friends on CU from getting into a transaction with a known scam artist. People like Kirk are good for the hobby, not vice versa.

I realize Joey is likely not happy about the fact that Kirk frequently alerts people to Joey's new aliases. For example, when Joey came to CU under the alias YankeesFan74 and tried to sell his now infamous T206 Ty Cobb Red Portrait 3 weeks ago, it was Kirk that let several people there know that YankeesFan74 was really Joey. Good for Kirk.... because we all know that Joey just takes payment for the Cobb card, he never actually mails it to anyone after they've paid.

If I were Kirk, I wouldn't reply to this thread either. Everyone at CU already knows his character and appreciates what he does for the hobby. No need to answer to "call-outs" from people who change their name every few weeks.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by mcadams

David- We don't know each other, but I've read plenty of your posts here over the years. I was very surprised to read your comments above where you practically turn the situation around, as if Kirk is the bad guy.

Joey has admitted that he frequently sells cards on ebay and then back outs of the transaction. Even worse, he's also admitted that he wins auctions on ebay and doesn't pay. People are now aware of Joey's BS, and so now Joey creates new usernames every few weeks/months so that people don't know who he is.

Kirk proactively lets people know when he's identified Joey posing under a new alias on Ebay or on CU BST, so that people can avoid him. But you have the gall to insinuate that Kirk is somehow the bad guy here? That's not harassment, that is Kirk protecting his friends on CU from getting into a transaction with a known scam artist. People like Kirk are good for the hobby, not vice versa.

I realize Joey is likely not happy about the fact that Kirk frequently alerts people to Joey's new aliases. For example, when Joey came to CU under the alias YankeesFan74 and tried to sell his now infamous T206 Ty Cobb Red Portrait 3 weeks ago, it was Kirk that let several people there know that YankeesFan74 was really Joey. Good for Kirk.... because we all know that Joey just takes payment for the Cobb card, he never actually mails it to anyone after they've paid.

If I were Kirk, I wouldn't reply to this thread either. Everyone at CU already knows his character and appreciates what he does for the hobby. No need to answer to "call-outs" from people who change their name every few weeks.

Michael,

Joey did all those things. He's not denying that. So simply don't do business with him. But he never scammed anybody out of money as Kirk (and now you) has stated.

You're trying to make Kirk out as some crusader. He's not. Anybody that sends texts to another to harrass them is a cyber stalker. It's that simple and it's against the law.

Just one question for you? Why did Kirk do the same thing to Danny? What did Danny do to deserve it? Once again, that says a lot about Kirk's character.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I think other than Joey and Kirk, I know more about this situation than anybody else on this board, so maybe I can shed some light on this. Joey has done some shady things. There is no doubt about that and he even admits it. But who here or anywhere else can say that Joey scammed them out of money? I’m not talking about a couple of bucks for return shipping or something like that – I am talking about serious money. Who here has lost money to Joey Farino? Anyone? No? Not one? I didn’t think so.


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No, he just borrows their money for a while pretending to sell them a card he either does or does not have.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No, he just borrows their money for a while pretending to sell them a card he either does or does not have.

Yup and that's wrong. Nobody has denied that. How long can you beat a dead horse? Isn't cyber stalking wrong too though?

[frankbmd]

Joey was right.

My PM box is full this morning or inquiries from jealous Net54 members.
As a public service to the Board I am posting the following link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Shiny-M...e/140654916665

BE LIKE FRANK. JUST DO IT.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Joey was right.

As a public service to the Board I am posting the following link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mens-Shiny-M...e/140654916665

Frank, thanks for the link but I already own several pair. -- Paul

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by kcohen

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

+1

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by kcohen

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

hmmmmmm, are we aloud to "debate" about politics? And Talk about who the best rock bands are???

Now that would be interesting, way better than this Jersey Shore thread.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by kcohen

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

+2

[Buythatcard]

Originally Posted by kcohen

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

+3

[oldjudge]

Kenny-I couldn't agree more. While in the short term this type of thread may increase the site's page views, it will lead to the departure of the very people who can add knowledge of vintage cards to this forum.

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

kenny-i couldn't agree more. While in the short term this type of thread may increase the site's page views, it will lead to the departure of the very people who can add knowledge of vintage cards to this forum.

+100

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by kcohen

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

I don't believe that to be true...Popcorn threads do tend to get the most action when they pop up, but if you look at the front page how many of those types of threads are there? I see a whole lot of card threads there. Occasionally we get a poster that seems to dominate the discussion and lately we've had a few of them, but they'll burn out....they always do.

And don't forget every time you post to a thread you don't like you've bumped it to the top of the board.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by kcohen

This forum used to be such a nice place. I even miss the occasional political firefights and detours into rock music we had back in the day. With the proliferation of newer members, pointless multipage threads where many members take pleasure in petty attacks and piling on seem to prevail now.

Net54 has jumped the shark.

I remember when I first came here people said the same thing when Marshall Barkman would go off. Now whenever a "where are they now" thread pops up people miss him. Everything evolves. I'll admit that Joey is truly in a lose-lose situation here. If he says nothing this mystical Kirk can continue bad mouthing him unabated, but in reality Joey has already tarnished his own reputation in many people's eyes so his case is falling on deaf ears. You reap what you sow.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I remember when I first came here people said the same thing when Marshall Barkman would go off. Now whenever a "where are they now" thread pops up people miss him. Everything evolves. I'll admit that Joey is truly in a lose-lose situation here. If he says nothing this mystical Kirk can continue bad mouthing him unabated, but in reality Joey has already tarnished his own reputation in many people's eyes so his case is falling on deaf ears. You reap what you sow.

People always seem to remember the "Good ol' days" as better than the present...it's like people who believe the US was idyllic in the 1950s. When I first got here many years ago memorabilia threads would make the board go nuts with fighting...the political threads were much more poisonous than anything this board has experienced...and who can forget the good old days of Bruce D wishing to read my obituary??

[JoeyF1981]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

I remember when I first came here people said the same thing when Marshall Barkman would go off. Now whenever a "where are they now" thread pops up people miss him. Everything evolves. I'll admit that Joey is truly in a lose-lose situation here. If he says nothing this mystical Kirk can continue bad mouthing him unabated, but in reality Joey has already tarnished his own reputation in many people's eyes so his case is falling on deaf ears. You reap what you sow.

youre very right and I realize kirk does not have the balls to come on here and address these issues because he knows he has nothing to back these accusations up with. I know and accept that my reputation is tarnished with alot of people. Ive done alot of wrong and Ive also done alot of right. Ive sold tons of cards and had alot of successful transactions on ebay and with forum members