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View Poll Results: Were these guys the best of their time or not
Barry Bonds was one of the best of his time 73 65.18%
Barry bonds was NOT one of the best of his time 20 17.86%
Roger Clemens was one of the best of his time 80 71.43%
Roger Clemens was NOT one of the best of his time 14 12.50%
Gary sheffield was one of the best of his time 16 14.29%
Gary sheffield was NOT one of the best of his time 71 63.39%
derek jeter was one of the best of his time 79 70.54%
derek jeter was NOT one of the best of his time 19 16.96%
cal ripken jr was one of the best of his time 74 66.07%
cal ripken jr was NOT one of the best of his time 26 23.21%
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All the players listed...suck.
Im assuming youre joking here. How can anyone not love Ripken or Jeter?
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Im assuming youre joking here. How can anyone not love Ripken or Jeter?
Yes, in a way I'm joking...but seriously Ripken and Jeter couldn't collectively have carried Cobb's Jock strap.
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Yes, in a way I'm joking...but seriously Ripken and Jeter couldn't collectively have carried Cobb's Jock strap.
Agreed, but we are comparing them to the players , they played with, not of any before 1980
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How can anyone seriously say Bonds was not one of the best of his time?
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I didn't say that, he was.
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How can anyone seriously say Bonds was not one of the best of his time?
Because of performance enhancing drugs?
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Because of performance enhancing drugs?
Obviously I can't ignore his steroid use. I only look at his pre 1999 numbers as legitimate. The story goes after 1998 when he saw all the attention that McGwire and Sosa got, he told other players that he was going to try it. I don't know exactly the words used but that's the basic message he said from what I heard and from 1999 on he was juiced up.....as much or more than anyone else!

Even so, when only comparing him to others of his time, his pre 1999 numbers are still fantastic in their own right, just not top 5 player immortal all time numbers!
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Yeah before drugs he was just a three time MVP winner, perennial all star and Gold Glove winner, and probably the best all around player in the game. Next?
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Yeah before drugs he was just a three time MVP winner, perennial all star and Gold Glove winner, and probably the best all around player in the game. Next?
Which makes it all the more puzzling why he felt like he needed to cheat
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How can anyone seriously say Bonds was not one of the best of his time?
Glad you asked.

He was a druggie.
Hope this helps.

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Yes, in a way I'm joking...but seriously Ripken and Jeter couldn't collectively have carried Cobb's Jock strap.
Completely different era. While Cobb is top 5 ever, I don't think he would've been as successful in today's game.

Jeter and Ripken were/are some of the best.
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okok, I think we have a decent sample size for the main point.

Take a look at some of these life time numbers, (some are of players we didnt vote on some are some that we did) I find the vote very interesting.

– 509 HR, .292 BA, 253 SB, .393 OBP

– 431 HR, .276 BA, .340 OBP

– 255 HR, 313 BA, 348 SB, .382 OBP

– 234 HR, .306 BA, 504 SB, .369 OBP

– 363 HR, .296 BA, .409 OBP
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I think when you pick out great players and only compare them to their era, then the answer is pretty obvious that they were among the best. Since you didn't say top ten or any number, then the answer is subjective. I don't think Jeter was one of the top ten of his era, but I would still call him one of the best of the era. Without more qualifiers, the results are flawed.

Sheffield would be low end for this group, but I still think he was a great player at times. Amazing bat speed, coaching 3B with him up should have got someone hazard pay. Larry Bowa used to stand about 20 feet further back with him up
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Ripken and Jeter are class acts and deserve all the praise they receive......don't have much good to say about the other 3 doucebags you have listed. Barry Bonds was one the first guys to also get heavily into steroids around the mid 90's. I think he's a complete joke with the majority of his stats being inflated by the juice. He deserves NEVER to be voted into the hall of fame.
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