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[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

He renegged on a deal. It sucks, it happens to me 2-3 times a month.

I think we gave him enought crap for it. Adrian seems harmless enough. Just let him continue doing his thing and give the guy a break.

Well this may be true, but like Leon said, he doesn't realize the issue(s) at hand with doing this...I'm fine with him staying, but needs to change his ways and attitudes and care more about how it's going to affect us or other seller(s)

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Well this may be true, but like Leon said, he doesn't realize the issue(s) at hand with doing this...I'm fine with him staying, but needs to change his ways and attitudes and care more about how it's going to affect us or other seller(s)

I am sure Adrian now realizes that renegging on a transaction (especially with a fellow board member) is highly frowned upon.

We can either continue to beat this horse or we can discuss cards. I have enjoyed Adrian's posts for the most part - if only we were all as excited about this hobby. Let's leave this be.

[bobbyw8469]

I am sure Adrian now realizes that renegging on a transaction (especially with a fellow board member) is highly frowned upon.

Ahem......here, here!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

He renegged on a deal. It sucks, it happens to me 2-3 times a month.

I think we gave him enought crap for it. Adrian seems harmless enough. Just let him continue doing his thing and give the guy a break.

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Well this may be true, but like Leon said, he doesn't realize the issue(s) at hand with doing this...I'm fine with him staying, but needs to change his ways and attitudes and care more about how it's going to affect us or other seller(s)

I told myself I would never post in one of Adrian's threads, but enough is enough. Yes, Brent, he does realize the issue. All you have to do is go back and look at post #40. He said, "I was wrong in what I did and you guys are right backing out of a deal is NOT OK!!!." Then, he went on to say "Sorry for ALL the drama."

There! He admitted his mistake and apologized for it. What more do you want from the guy?!?!? Jason is absolutely right. People have given him enough crap about it. The fact that people (not you Brent) keep piling on and won't shut up about it after he admitted his mistake and apologized for it really proves there are a lot of folks on this board who have absolutely no class. Let it go people.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I told myself I would never post in one of Adrian's threads, but enough is enough. Yes, Brent, he does realize the issue. All you have to do is go back and look at post #40. He said, "I was wrong in what I did and you guys are right backing out of a deal is NOT OK!!!." Then, he went on to say "Sorry for ALL the drama."

There! He admitted his mistake and apologized for it. What more do you want from the guy?!?!? Jason is absolutely right. People have given him enough crap about it. The fact that people (not you Brent) keep piling on and won't shut up about it after he admitted his mistake and apologized for it really proves there are a lot of folks on this board who have absolutely no class. Let it go people.

Really David? Seriously? And then around a hundred posts later he says this, in this thread..

"This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did."

So you are saying that attitude is ok? I am just trying to understand your defense of him.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Really David? Seriously?

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

David, for the most part I agree with you, but it seems that an apology means nothing if it is not heartfelt and just words. At least that is how I raised my 3 boys.

Greg

[botn]

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by botn

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

At least no old lady's were robbed.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by botn

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

Greg,

I try not to get involved in Adrain's drama, so I'm not following. If you're saying he reneged on deals even after he admitted his mistake and apologized, then please continue to roast him - he's learned nothing. But if he hasn't reneged on any deals since his apology and refrains from doing so in the future, then everyone should cut him some slack and give him another chance to repair his reputation. If that's the case, all I am saying is people deserve second chances. I know I've screwed up many times and I'm grateful to those that forgave me and gave me a second chance.

Regards,

David

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

Sure David. You Only looked at one of his posts, not his subsequent one(s). Makes sense to me. The only reason he apologized was because he knew that is what we expected. But, as evidenced by the post I posted of his, he didn't really mean it. Maybe you just aren't seeing that or don't have the aptitude to understand it?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sure David. You Only looked at one of his posts, not his subsequent one(s). Makes sense to me. The only reason he apologized was because he knew that is what we expected. But, as evidenced by the post I posted of his, he didn't really mean it. Maybe you just aren't seeing that or don't have the aptitude to understand it?

Didn't read the whole thing...Leon you were a supporter of Adrian right? Is that changing are you giving him the boot over this? Or is the beating from the 54 posse sort of street justice? Only ask because you seem heated over this now and being the forum owner seems like an easy fix and back to collecting and cards. Regardless of Great White North's buying habits and or integrity.

Cheers,

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Didn't read the whole thing...Leon you were a supporter of Adrian right? Is that changing are you giving him the boot over this? Or is the beating from the 54 posse sort of street justice? Only ask because you seem heated over this now and being the forum owner seems like an easy fix and back to collecting and cards. Regardless of Great White North's buying habits and or integrity.

Cheers,

John

Hi John
Thanks for thinking of my feelings? .... Yes, I was a big supporter of Adrians until his crappy ass attitude towards reneging coupled with his actions. But yeah, I was a supporter before that.
No, I don't think banning him is the right thing right now. He will get an infraction for wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth. With his attitude I also don't want him on the BST so he won't be on there.
Other than that...page views are up, up, up?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

I sort of agree with David. Think what he did to Marty was way off and not cool at all. Beating the guy senseless isn't going to change the deal gone wrong or make it all better.

Right now this seems more about page views and an entertaining train wreck more than anything productive. Just my two cents and this coming from a guy who loves his train wrecks as much as the next guy.

Cheers,

John

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[shammus]

"This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did."

This is the quote I have a problem with. Because, no, you really don't have that right. The reason our BST works is because people here are honest, communicate well for the most part, and follow through on transactions. Around here, "a deal is a deal". There is no way that 99% of dealers here will be ok with someone freely backing out of deals, more like the opposite.

Someone who repeatedly backs out on transactions without cause or due to "buyers regret" is not someone we'd want participating on BST. I don't need to even get into all the ways that affects the seller...people have already done that. All of us understand that emergencies happen, i have no problem with that. However if you do back out of a deal claiming financial emergency, and then you turn around and spend money elsewhere, then you're not being honest. And we don't need dishonest people running around BST either.

[nolemmings]

I agree with you completely Leon. There is no contrition here. Words of apology have no meaning when they are immediately followed with repeat offenses and blasts about how money trumps all and he can do whatever he wants. Put that together with his basic admission about how all these prior excuses he offered everybody (dog ate my homework type stuff) will go away now that he has found his focus and it seems pretty clear the guy has honesty issues. Pointing that out and doing so repeatedly does not show a lack of class and an unwillingness to move on; rather it displays hypocrisy and BS for all of us to see.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

nvm

[nolemmings]

EDITED: I'm trying to be nice

[gnaz01]

I have learned what Adrian does when he reaches his post limit, Leon. He sends PM's to those who post about him in this thread. Here is what he sent me:

"There is no right or wrong if God does not exist...only simple minded people believe in these illusions of the brain....if there is a God then yes there is a right or wrong.

I am no stupid person....people who think a lot more than the average 90% of the population all know this. It is the simple minded people who need to believe in the concept of right versus wrong. Take God out that picture and no such thing exists."

[Pythonfactory]

Man this thread is turning ugly. I feel like we are all feeding the fire with no end in sight. Us raging at each other isn't going to move this whole thing forward. If you don't like someone, don't trade/buy/sell from them and don't respond to their posts. If someone violates the explicit (and not implied) terms of service of this board, warn them and then boot them out if they do it again. We can only control our own actions.

Anyone like baseball cards? I do. We should talk about them.

Also, I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

"Can we all just get along?"