Thanks to those who helped me here and also those who respected me here

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I told myself I would never post in one of Adrian's threads, but enough is enough. Yes, Brent, he does realize the issue. All you have to do is go back and look at post #40. He said, "I was wrong in what I did and you guys are right backing out of a deal is NOT OK!!!." Then, he went on to say "Sorry for ALL the drama."

There! He admitted his mistake and apologized for it. What more do you want from the guy?!?!? Jason is absolutely right. People have given him enough crap about it. The fact that people (not you Brent) keep piling on and won't shut up about it after he admitted his mistake and apologized for it really proves there are a lot of folks on this board who have absolutely no class. Let it go people.

Really David? Seriously? And then around a hundred posts later he says this, in this thread..

"This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did."

So you are saying that attitude is ok? I am just trying to understand your defense of him.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Really David? Seriously?

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

David, for the most part I agree with you, but it seems that an apology means nothing if it is not heartfelt and just words. At least that is how I raised my 3 boys.

Greg

[botn]

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by botn

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

At least no old lady's were robbed.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by botn

David,

The reason the thread was revived was that Adrian spent either $100 or $200 on some cards after breaching an agreement to buy a card for $500 a day earlier due to a lack of funds. When confronted, again, instead of being humble, he got an attitude towards people inquiring.

Greg

Greg,

I try not to get involved in Adrain's drama, so I'm not following. If you're saying he reneged on deals even after he admitted his mistake and apologized, then please continue to roast him - he's learned nothing. But if he hasn't reneged on any deals since his apology and refrains from doing so in the future, then everyone should cut him some slack and give him another chance to repair his reputation. If that's the case, all I am saying is people deserve second chances. I know I've screwed up many times and I'm grateful to those that forgave me and gave me a second chance.

Regards,

David

[shammus]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Greg,

I try not to get involved in Adrain's drama, so I'm not following. If you're saying he reneged on deals even after he admitted his mistake and apologized, then please continue to roast him - he's learned nothing. But if he hasn't reneged on any deals since his apology and refrains from doing so in the future, then everyone should cut him some slack and give him another chance to repair his reputation. If that's the case, all I am saying is people deserve second chances. I know I've screwed up many times and I'm grateful to those that forgave me and gave me a second chance.

Regards,

David

David I believe two things actually happened since his apology which prolonged the thread....

1. He was caught buying a card from someone else after claiming he had a financial emergency...

And 2. Came forth with an opinion that changing your mind freely on transactions is ok and in general was trying to justify his actions

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by shammus

David I believe two things actually happened since his apology which prolonged the thread....

1. He was caught buying a card from someone else after claiming he had a financial emergency...

And 2. Came forth with an opinion that changing your mind freely on transactions is ok and in general was trying to justify his actions

Wait a minute.. He is back to buying more cards. I thought his pet was dying and he had to fly his family in from Europe for the last rites? Could someone please just post a brief summary so I don't have to go back through the thread... Or someone could just make a movie out of it...
"a young Mountie, fresh out of Mountie school inherits a rare coin, selling it for $250,000! But his poor hamster Fluffy is dying of a rare gluten intolerance disease... Instead of selling his rare Mickey mantle card to pay off debts, he chooses to skip out on some legally binding contracts in the name of freedom and the Canadian dream. So he decides to use his fortune to fly in specialists from abroad to cure poor Fluff. A band of worthless criminals called "the Net54 crew" are out to stop him. On July 4th, go to your local theater to see "the Zone", and see for your self if freedom does really exist."

Starring Kevin Bacon as Adrian, Tom Selleck as Leon and Rodney the gerbil as Fluffy

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

Sure David. You Only looked at one of his posts, not his subsequent one(s). Makes sense to me. The only reason he apologized was because he knew that is what we expected. But, as evidenced by the post I posted of his, he didn't really mean it. Maybe you just aren't seeing that or don't have the aptitude to understand it?

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Sure David. You Only looked at one of his posts, not his subsequent one(s). Makes sense to me. The only reason he apologized was because he knew that is what we expected. But, as evidenced by the post I posted of his, he didn't really mean it. Maybe you just aren't seeing that or don't have the aptitude to understand it?

Didn't read the whole thing...Leon you were a supporter of Adrian right? Is that changing are you giving him the boot over this? Or is the beating from the 54 posse sort of street justice? Only ask because you seem heated over this now and being the forum owner seems like an easy fix and back to collecting and cards. Regardless of Great White North's buying habits and or integrity.

Cheers,

John

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Didn't read the whole thing...Leon you were a supporter of Adrian right? Is that changing are you giving him the boot over this? Or is the beating from the 54 posse sort of street justice? Only ask because you seem heated over this now and being the forum owner seems like an easy fix and back to collecting and cards. Regardless of Great White North's buying habits and or integrity.

Cheers,

John

Hi John
Thanks for thinking of my feelings? .... Yes, I was a big supporter of Adrians until his crappy ass attitude towards reneging coupled with his actions. But yeah, I was a supporter before that.
No, I don't think banning him is the right thing right now. He will get an infraction for wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth. With his attitude I also don't want him on the BST so he won't be on there.
Other than that...page views are up, up, up?

[jhs5120]

The horse is dead. It's been dead. It had a miserable life and it finally died. This poor horse was born, ate grass, grew up and died. I beg you, put the clubs down. There is no need to beat this poor dead horse. It is dead.

Jason

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi John
Thanks for thinking of my feelings? .... Yes, I was a big supporter of Adrians until his crappy ass attitude towards reneging coupled with his actions. But yeah, I was a supporter before that.
No, I don't think banning him is the right thing right now. He will get an infraction for wishing a heart attack on Peter Spaeth. With his attitude I also don't want him on the BST so he won't be on there.
Other than that...page views are up, up, up?

LOL, I hear you. Just seems like the overall tone is Adrian is a dirtbag beyond repair. If that's the case I just don't understand all the effort put forth.

To me if that is the case and Adrian is a lost cause why? Look I will argue with a wall but even certain arguments you just have to pass on. Like arguing that God isn't real to group of church folks on Sunday.

If its page views you want let me run wild Leon....oh please let me run wild ill grab McKee and a case of scotch and will really get the numbers bumping!

Cheers,

John

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

LOL, I hear you. Just seems like the overall tone is Adrian is a dirtbag beyond repair. If that's the case I just don't understand all the effort put forth.

To me if that is the case and Adrian is a lost cause why? Look I will argue with a wall but even certain arguments you just have to pass on. Like arguing that God isn't real to group of church folks on Sunday.

If its page views you want let me run wild Leon....oh please let me run wild ill grab McKee and a case of scotch and will really get the numbers bumping!

Cheers,

John

I'm In!

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ummm....Really, Leon. Seriously. Post #40 should have been the last one in this thread. In that post, he admitted his mistake and apologized. Everyone should have moved on at that point. Once again, the fact that some couldn't move on at that point and wanted to keep antagonizing him shows their lack of class.

I don’t know about you, Leon, but where I come from when someone owns up to their mistake and apologizes for it, all is forgiven and everyone moves on. But, hey, that’s just me. Maybe you weren’t raised that way.

I sort of agree with David. Think what he did to Marty was way off and not cool at all. Beating the guy senseless isn't going to change the deal gone wrong or make it all better.

Right now this seems more about page views and an entertaining train wreck more than anything productive. Just my two cents and this coming from a guy who loves his train wrecks as much as the next guy.

Cheers,

John

Post # 1

[shammus]

"This guy just wants me gone like he has always wanted that is NOT right. I have the right as a buyer to change my mind like anything else on this planet you have that right to make a change. I know it is wrong but 99% of the time the dealer is just fine with it. You walk into a card store say I want this or that card I will pay you tomorrow...you come in tomorrow and make a change of mind and buy something else I have yet to see a dealer go nuts...OK maybe this time one did."

This is the quote I have a problem with. Because, no, you really don't have that right. The reason our BST works is because people here are honest, communicate well for the most part, and follow through on transactions. Around here, "a deal is a deal". There is no way that 99% of dealers here will be ok with someone freely backing out of deals, more like the opposite.

Someone who repeatedly backs out on transactions without cause or due to "buyers regret" is not someone we'd want participating on BST. I don't need to even get into all the ways that affects the seller...people have already done that. All of us understand that emergencies happen, i have no problem with that. However if you do back out of a deal claiming financial emergency, and then you turn around and spend money elsewhere, then you're not being honest. And we don't need dishonest people running around BST either.

[nolemmings]

I agree with you completely Leon. There is no contrition here. Words of apology have no meaning when they are immediately followed with repeat offenses and blasts about how money trumps all and he can do whatever he wants. Put that together with his basic admission about how all these prior excuses he offered everybody (dog ate my homework type stuff) will go away now that he has found his focus and it seems pretty clear the guy has honesty issues. Pointing that out and doing so repeatedly does not show a lack of class and an unwillingness to move on; rather it displays hypocrisy and BS for all of us to see.