FAKE packs and an FBI Fraud Investigation: What would YOU do?

[pepis]

Originally Posted by tkersting

Can you disclose which packs were fabricated and did any leave your possession. This will help for those who own unopened PSA star packs. Thanks.

Like i said earlier in the thread all the packs that i personally altered and
got grated are still in my possession and all have clear signs of being
altered, the problem with young collectors is that they have no clue how
to id the real thing and counterfeiters on ebay keep making star packs
with certain stars that never came on top because of the manufacture
pattern and these fake packs keep making it into PSA holders for example
below i have a picture of a Mike Schmidt on top that i made one huge
problem Schmidt never came in the top section only the bottom and that
can be easily proven.






CU members aconite and daveG offered as much as $1250.00 for the pack since it is rare
sure it didn't come from topps if i was a scammer i would have never turn down that much money.

[pepis]

Here is one the FBI agent couldn't believe, a PSA 10?
besides the fact that Munson never came on top of a 1979 cello the back seal
has clear sloppy signs of being resealed.

[buymycards]

Originally Posted by pepis

Like i said earlier in the thread all the packs that i

CU members aconite and daveG offered as much as $1250.00 for the pack since it is rare
sure it didn't come from topps if i was a scammer i would have never turn down that much money.

Jose - If?

When someone keeps telling me how honest they are I reach in my pocket to make sure my wallet is still there.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Jose - If?

When someone keeps telling me how honest they are I reach in my pocket to make sure my wallet is still there.

Rick,,,i'm not here to tell anybody anything about my honesty, i'm here to tell that every counterfeiter of star packs on ebay is getting away
with it because the psa authenticator doesn't have the knowledge to identify those fake packs even know the signs are very clear of being fakes or altered packs, they are getting authenticated and over half of the star packs in the population report are fake and i can prove it given
the chance to do so, all you need to know is the manufacture pattern, is actually pretty simple and it should be common knowledge, i showed the FBI and they got it.

[jerseygary]

While this makes great reality TV-like entertainment, I have to say what the heck does 1977 Topps cello packs and 1983 Fleer have to do with Pre-War? Pre-Desert Storm? This is exactly why I collect the old stuff - too many weird-o's mess with the shiny stuff.

If there is such an easy solution to figuring out what is a fake "star pack" or what ever the you call these things, why not post the key on the post-war side and go away or start talking about 1933 Goudey unopened packs.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by jerseygary

While this makes great reality TV-like entertainment, I have to say what the heck does 1977 Topps cello packs and 1983 Fleer have to do with Pre-War? Pre-Desert Storm? This is exactly why I collect the old stuff - too many weird-o's mess with the shiny stuff.

If there is such an easy solution to figuring out what is a fake "star pack" or what ever the you call these things, why not post the key on the post-war side and go away or start talking about 1933 Goudey unopened packs.

This is not my thread, i do understand and think it probably should be in
the post war side, but Leon has kept it here which may be a good thing
this thread is getting a lot of attention on Google and Yahoo and i think
that's a good thing

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pepis

This is not my thread, i do understand and think it probably should be in
the post war side, but Leon has kept it here which may be a good thing
this thread is getting a lot of attention on Google and Yahoo and i think
that's a good thing

It was decided, when this thread first went up, to allow it to stay here because of it's importance. In that respect nothing has changed.

[1980scollector]

Jose, you never sold me a fake pack?

[Peter_Spaeth]

I don't think we can infer from Jose's statement that he still has all the bad packs he graded that he sold other bad packs that didn't grade. That's like interpreting the statement, I have never sold a trimmed card, to be an admission that I sold bleached cards, it's not logical. At least give him the opportunity to answer the question.

[the 'stache]

Just curious how a "well educated" man can have so many misspellings, and grammatical flubs? Reading Jose's posts gives me a headache.

In my experience, when a person purports to be "well educated" on the internet, they are just the opposite.

[HRBAKER]

I'm not quite sure you can infer anything from his posts frankly.

[npa589]

Agreed Jeff, this is one of the few reasons why I said what I said.

Incoherence combined with the oblivion to a normal ethical understanding --- atll the while seemingly trying to implore people to see that you are some sort of perspicacious hero in all of this is ridiculous.

An intellectually inferior version of Frank Abagnale Jr. for the hobby...