Robert Edwards preview is up

RichardSimon · #1 04-13-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

The Brouthers is tough to authenticate, no doubt. There are two exemplars in Ron K's book, and the REA ball doesn't really resemble either, though they are fairly different fom each other as well. They are almost 20 years apart, whereas one of them is only two years from the purported signing of this ball. Further, the exemplars are both flats.

I'm intrigued by the inclusion of a LOA from "legendary handwriting expert Charles Hamilton," which was part of REA's original sale of this ball in 1995. Never heard of the dude, but I wasn't buying autos then, just getting them IP. Anyone know what makes that guy so legendary? Morales is pretty legendary around here as well...

He authored several books about autographs.
His NY Times 1996 obit:
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/13/ar...ndwriting.html

frankbmd · #2 04-13-2013, 11:14 AM

Lot #913 = http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=149708

It's not mine and never will be, but for those who expressed an interest the ball is now up for auction.

mighty bombjack · #3 04-13-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

He authored several books about autographs.
His NY Times 1996 obit:
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/12/13/ar...ndwriting.html

Does a letter from him carry any weight for you at all?

David Atkatz · #4 04-13-2013, 11:31 AM

For the most part, Charles Hamilton didn't deal with sports autographs. Nor did any of the top autograph professionals.

I used to go to his shop often, just to be amazed at the framed stock on the wall. Lincoln, Washington, Dickens, Einstein, Darwin...

RichardSimon · #5 04-13-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

Does a letter from him carry any weight for you at all?

Not when it comes to baseball.
I put a lot of weight into opinions when there is familiarity with the autograph for the authenticator or dealer.
Who is really familiar with an autograph of Dan Brouthers?

JimStinson · #6 04-13-2013, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Not when it comes to baseball.
I put a lot of weight into opinions when there is familiarity with the autograph for the authenticator or dealer.
Who is really familiar with an autograph of Dan Brouthers?

I haven;t seen the Dan Brouthers ball so my comment is not directed at it , and instead is a general overview of this thread. and my personal experiences... Charles Hamilton was highly regarded in his day as an expert on historical autographs..Not Sports, Toward the end of his life when baseball autographs stated booming he became involved in that area too but only briefly.
I recently purchased a collection of vintage autographs , the original collector was meticulous about keeping invoices etc. One of the items was a Joe Jackson autograph with a bill of sale/Coa from Charles Hamilton. I didn't like it but to cross check myself as I often do I sent scans to several collectors who's opinions I trust , the consensus was unanimous and I returned the Jackson signature.
With regards to Dan Brouthers autograph I have been an active baseball autograph dealer for well over 30 years specializing in 19th century and dead ball era autographs and I have never once bought or sold a Brouthers signature.
Lastly I have seen notorized legal documents and even personal checks of various tough to find Hall of Fame signatures that had been mocked up to appear genuine but were not. So even those documents in and of themselves do not guarantee authenticity.
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Bored5000 · #7 04-13-2013, 02:15 PM

I know a couple of you guys posted examples of Brouthers' autograph from the Ron Keurajian book. When I did a google search on Brouthers' auto, the Keurajian section on Brouthers came up. Keurajian wrote that there are less than five genuine specimens of Brouthers' autograph in existence and there are no known signed photos, baseballs or baseball cards.

http://books.google.com/books?id=e3s...=0CCwQ6AEwADgK

mighty bombjack · #8 04-13-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bored5000

I know a couple of you guys posted examples of Brouthers' autograph from the Ron Keurajian book. When I did a google search on Brouthers' auto, the Keurajian section on Brouthers came up. Keurajian wrote that there are less than five genuine specimens of Brouthers' autograph in existence and there are no known signed photos, baseballs or baseball cards.

http://books.google.com/books?id=e3s...=0CCwQ6AEwADgK

I wondered about this as well. Did Ron see this ball for sale when REA put it up in 1995, and he is therefore saying it isn't real, or is he unaware of its existence? I guess we can't know.

tazdmb · #9 04-13-2013, 03:25 PM

Surprised no one has brought up the signed Hamilton and Ward Balls. Again, I believe Ron said in his book that no known signed baseballs are known to exist, at least until now (maybe)

mighty bombjack · #10 04-13-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tazdmb

Surprised no one has brought up the signed Hamilton and Ward Balls. Again, I believe Ron said in his book that no known signed baseballs are known to exist, at least until now (maybe)

I forgot the Hamilton, which is incredibly rare if real, but I did bring up the Ward and Frank Chance balls. Never seen any of them on single signed balls before.

shelly · #11 04-13-2013, 04:48 PM

Just remember. Hamilton defended the Kennedy papers till the day he died.

earlywynnfan · #12 04-13-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I wondered about this as well. Did Ron see this ball for sale when REA put it up in 1995, and he is therefore saying it isn't real, or is he unaware of its existence? I guess we can't know.

I'd find it hard to believe Ron didn't see every signed baseball of this caliber in a major auction for the last 20 years.

Ken

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