It's now official - Mastro trimmed hisT206 Wagner

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

The finest untrimmed Wagner is owned by one of our board members and he has no intention of ever getting it professionally graded. He's simply not interested and doesn't care.

Any pic ?

Originally Posted by E93

For the record, Orlando did not start working at PSA until years after that Wagner was graded. It was the first card PSA graded.

As for the best unaltered Wagner, I think the PSA 5 (not the Jumbo PSA 5 MC) and three raw Wagners in private hands are the top candidates. The Jumbo would probably rank around #5 IMHO. It is a phenomenal card, but there are a few that are slightly better in my opinion, mostly due to not having the angle cut and top of the the adjoining card on the sheet showing.
JimB

It is verry cool that 3 great condition Wagner is still Raw in private collection

Any pic of these 3 Raw Wagner ?

[barrysloate]

Nelson- I believe he has posted it before. Also, it is pictured in an archive of T206 Wagners that I of course have no idea how to find.

[ruth-gehrig]

Is it known who exactly was in the room when the card was graded? Was Mastro there??

[jhs5120]

Personally, I have no problem with that Wagner designated an "8" - let's face it, it is a near mint card. Trimmed or not. There have always been rumors surrounding that card and I personally have no problem making it an exception to the rule.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Nelson- I believe he has posted it before. Also, it is pictured in an archive of T206 Wagners that I of course have no idea how to find.

This is the image Barry's referring to:

[Runscott]

It's interesting how all of this has played out. For years we were told that there were original photos of the untrimmed Gretzky Wagner, yet no one would post them. Then a book comes out with 'the picture', and it's horrible and you still can't tell

Given that Mastro has now admitted to the trimming, will we finally get to see a clear, color photo of what it looked like before?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

Thanks for posting it Corey. A truly spectacular card.

[Rickyy]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

Beautiful.

Ricky Y

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

wow nice Wagner. The owner of that card is a member here ?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

wow nice Wagner. The owner of that card is a member here ?

you are commenting to him (not me)

[g_vezina_c55]

Oh ok !
Thanks Leon ! Amazing card !

Any cool past stories behind this Wagner ?

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

That's a beauty!!!

How did you come across this card?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

This is the image Barry's referring to:

Wow !!! Beautiful Wagner !!!

Thanks for posting that-

Sincerely, Clayton

[glynparson]

Qualifiers post. If not for the qualifier the card would be a 3 at best. Several examples in this neighborhood. If this were not as Wagner but say a 1954 aaron it would probably sell for less than a 3. The grade of a card is effected by imperfections to disregard them is laughable in my opinion.

[RCMcKenzie]

I know that when I first got back into the hobby in the late 90's early 2000's everyone loved them some Mastro and hated Broadway Rick on the message boards, Now, you guys want to crucify Mastro. We want Barabus or Broadway Rick. It's just a hobby, or should be just a hobby.

[drc]

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"Hitler's dead," she said.
"What about Travis Bickle? Do I have to love Travis Bickle?"
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[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I don't understand the I don't care aboutQualifiers post. If not for the qualifier the card would be a 3 at best. Several examples in this neighborhood. If this were not as Wagner but say a 1954 aaron it would probably sell for less than a 3. The grade of a card is effected by imperfections to disregard them is laughable in my opinion.

I don't care about qualifiers. What is hard to understand?

I have never cared about cards that are centered or not centered (If anything I prefer the non centered cards). I have posted about this on other threads, it isn't just regarding the Wagner. I also know I am in the minority, but every one has preferences in this hobby and factory caused flaws don't bother me. It is the after factory flaws that I want to be graded.

[glynparson]

So what is do they bother you or not? You say one thing than say another? Sorry but trying to pretend flaws dont matter in value is so far from fact that it makes me laugh. Also the fact is this card is not a 5, so if there were no qualifier this would be a 3 at best, probably worse to pretend otherwise is laughable, so you cant try and say this is the highest graded because your wrong. How can you pretend a flaw is irrelevant to value? The facts are flaws are how cards are graded if this card was in fact an ex card the previous owner would have had it crossed to SGC, it was not an EX card so was therefore sold in the holder it was. Im not sure some understand qualifiers its not like they mean the card is this grade because of this flaw it means the card would be this grade but has one such major flaw that it is far worse than the assigned number but has most of the qualities of said grade.