Babe Ruth?

[rscheck]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Just curious if you remember the lady's name?

Honestly I dont. It was 1992 I realize that would make it easier but I dont

[JT]

I must say, this guy Chris is going to look like a big fool if he doesn't produce something factual and provable that substantiates his allegations.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by JT

I must say, this guy Chris is going to look like a big fool if he doesn't produce something factual and provable that substantiates his allegations.

Going to?

[JT]

David,

I know he hasn't produced one iota of anything to back up his allegation. I am sure he is doing "legwork" deep into the night trying to find something.

I personally wouldn't make such an allegation unless I had the proof beforehand, but that is just common sense to me.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Going to?

David,
When you found out your 1927 ball was fake, you said you asked a member who you respected lot. Just wondering if that member has offered his opinion on this Ruth yet?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

David,
When you found out your 1927 ball was fake, you said you asked a member who you respected lot. Just wondering if that member has offered his opinion on this Ruth yet?

No.

[travrosty]

the "tell" is a myth. like mysinger said on the other site, it's an authenticators job to tell the difference and withholding info doesn't help the hobby. its a myth that forgers troll the sites looking for people who give them info on how to make better forgeries. they have genuine exemplars, they have eyes.

they are really spending hundreds of hours watching people talk about bob feller and willie mays so they can catch one phrase on an autograph for their improvement? it's ridiculous. they are too busy forging and trying to make $

the ticket shown looks like the u is over the capital R in Ruth, (something that babe would do, so it wouldn't rule it out just based on that) and the other that Chris says is the same work looks like the "uth" was signed first, then the R was signed last, as the R seems to overlap the u. (something babe would be unlikely to do and would rule it out in my opinion) how does the same guy do that on one and different on the other? frankly, if you compare each letter of each signature side by side, there are loads of differences.

again, i dont know if the autograph on the ticket is a forgery, but please explain how this other autograph matches it?

sorry for showing side by side comparisons and explaining stuff, i know it's frowned upon on this thread.

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by travrosty

the "tell" is a myth. like mysinger said on the other site, it's an authenticators job to tell the difference and withholding oinf doesn't help the hobby. its a myth that forgers troll the sites looking for people who give them info on how to make better forgeries. they have genuine exemplars, they have eyes.

they are really spending hundreds of hours watching people talk about bob feller and willie mays so they can catch one phrase on an autograph for their improvement? it's ridiculous. they are too busy forging and trying to make $

the ticket shown looks like the u is over the capital R in Ruth, (something that babe would do, so it wouldn't rule it out just based on that) and the other that Chris says is the same work looks like the "uth" was signed first, then the R was signed last, as the R seems to overlap the u. (something babe would be unlikely to do and would rule it out in my opinion) how does the same guy do that on one and different on the other? frankly, if you compare each letter of each signature side by side, there are loads of differences.

again, i dont know if the autograph on the ticket is a forgery, but please explain how this other autograph matches it?

sorry for showing side by side comparisons and explaining stuff, i know it's frowned upon on this thread.

Well played, Sir.

[rscheck]

Originally Posted by travrosty

the "tell" is a myth. like mysinger said on the other site, it's an authenticators job to tell the difference and withholding oinf doesn't help the hobby. its a myth that forgers troll the sites looking for people who give them info on how to make better forgeries. they have genuine exemplars, they have eyes.

they are really spending hundreds of hours watching people talk about bob feller and willie mays so they can catch one phrase on an autograph for their improvement? it's ridiculous. they are too busy forging and trying to make $

the ticket shown looks like the u is over the capital R in Ruth, (something that babe would do, so it wouldn't rule it out just based on that) and the other that Chris says is the same work looks like the "uth" was signed first, then the R was signed last, as the R seems to overlap the u. (something babe would be unlikely to do and would rule it out in my opinion) how does the same guy do that on one and different on the other? frankly, if you compare each letter of each signature side by side, there are loads of differences.

again, i dont know if the autograph on the ticket is a forgery, but please explain how this other autograph matches it?

sorry for showing side by side comparisons and explaining stuff, i know it's frowned upon on this thread.

I believe this eloquently spoke to this.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by JT

I must say, this guy Chris is going to look like a big fool if he doesn't produce something factual and provable that substantiates his allegations.

he wont, he's a "trust me because i said so" type of guy. the very first post on this thread was disingenuous, when he asks what others think of the ruth auto. it was a setup from the beginning. he couldnt close the deal though. that would involve breaking the secret oath of the royal order of the scarlet mongoose lodge. if me and mark dont like a boxing auto, we show 'why' every time and answer anyone's questions on why we believe it to be bad. we would supply as many exemplars as needed and asked for and wouldn't hesistate to show why. it called transparency and being accountable. anyone can do it this way and claim top secret CIA clearance.

[Mr. Zipper]

My friend Chris is no fool.

I can't speak to the Ruth. But if this is the work of an active master forger, it would be foolish to publicly announce the tells, and essentially provide a blueprint on how to make a more deceptive forgery.

[David Atkatz]

That bullshit excuse don't work no more.

No one is asking for a public revelation of the "tells."
Why hasn't that info been shared with H&S, so that they can pull the lot?
Why hasn't that info been shared with Jimmy Spence, so he could stop certifying this particular "master forger"?
Why hasn't the info been shared with PSA? (Same reasons as above.)

The answer is quite simple. No "tells."

[jgmp123]

In the end, H&S will not pull the item and it will sell north of $5000. Thy are getting paid twice off that for an item that has been authenticated by the guys they use. They are an auction house and really owe nothing to the hobby, so why waste anymore time with this thread.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

In the end, H&S will not pull the item and it will sell north of $5000. Thy are getting paid twice off that for an item that has been authenticated by the guys they use. They are an auction house and really owe nothing to the hobby, so why waste anymore time with this thread.

Why the hell should they pull it, James? Because Chris said to? The same Chris who told us he left the consignor his phone number, while the consignor has told us twice he did not?

Either Chris is lying, or the consignor is. Guess who I believe?

[hugginsandscott]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

In the end, H&S will not pull the item and it will sell north of $5000. Thy are getting paid twice off that for an item that has been authenticated by the guys they use. They are an auction house and really owe nothing to the hobby, so why waste anymore time with this thread.

Would you say the same thing to Leon? I can't express how much I disagree with this statement, and actually take offense to it.
Josh

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by hugginsandscott

Would you say the same thing to Leon? I can't express how much I disagree with this statement, and actually take offense to it.
Josh

Josh,

Okay if you disagree then please answer...

What does Leon have to do with my statement?

What do you owe the hobby?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by hugginsandscott

Would you say the same thing to Leon? I can't express how much I disagree with this statement, and actually take offense to it.
Josh

H&S has always been stand-up and has provided as much or more evidence of feeling they owe something to the hobby, as any auction house around.

I won't put words in the OP's mouth, but I have a hard time believing he really meant that statement "They are an auction house and really owe nothing to the hobby"