Getting sick of the more obvious frauds

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

Actually John, you stopped the negotiations as claiming "you really don't need to sell" so that's when the door shut. You're more than welcome to post whatever you want, but the fact remains that you really weren't serious about selling (please at least admit to that) which dictated my offers. I didn't become a successful business owner by playing the "games". There's a reason you still have it and that's all that really needs to be discussed here.

As other sellers here whom I've dealt with will attest, I have no problem handing out money for what I want, but when I'm met with "I do have it, but I'm not really in any hurry to sell" I already know it's gonna be a waste of time as not matter what, the offer is never gonna be "good enough", it's the case in almost all business aspects.

Glenn the reason I still have the card is you offered $4500 dollars for a card that I bought two years ago for $4700. I wasn’t interested in selling it to you at your offer that doesn’t make me unreasonable or make the card not for sale.

Cheers,

John

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Glenn the reason I still have the card is you offered $4500 dollars for a card that I bought two years ago for $4700. I wasn’t interested in selling it to you at your offer that doesn’t make me unreasonable or make the card not for sale.

Cheers,

John

John you know damn well my ceiling would have been higher if I felt you honestly were ready to move on it. We can always revisit it.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

John you know damn well my ceiling would have been higher if I felt you honestly were ready to move on it. We can always revisit it.

Glenn this has nothing to do with me or my lack of motivation. As a buyer it’s on you to motivate me to sell an item that I truly don’t need to sell let alone sell at a loss. I made it clear in the PM on the “do you have a price in mind” comment from you “not cheap” I said…your offer to that comment less than what I publicly paid 2 years ago.

You know the value of these cards; you know what they go for certainly enough to lecture me about fads and price points. Heck you even point out to that I would do better at auction and get more while the back craze is in full swing for this card vs. selling to you today, good advice after you didn’t score the card cheap. I loved that part.

Even more insulting that now you want to play big dog and claim you would have gone way higher and it was me that was holding you back from making a “real” offer. Really I made you lowball me? I have to stop doing that to myself.

This is exactly my point for every unreasonable seller they’re just as many unreasonable buyers. Because I didn’t jump at your offer I’m an unreasonable seller who just doesn’t get it and was wasting your time with items that you have deemed not for sale because they didn’t get sold to you at your offer price.

Cheers,

John

[cubsfan-budman]

That's too funny. It looks to me like Shoele$$ just wanted to buy the card low and then flip it on an AH to take advantage of the "fad" and make some profit...which sounds a LOT like what he's criticizing others for doing. Priceless!

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

That's too funny. It looks to me like Shoele$$ just wanted to buy the card low and then flip it on an AH to take advantage of the "fad" and make some profit...which sounds a LOT like what he's criticizing others for doing. Priceless!

Yeah I was looking to pay close to $6,000 for a card that was paid $4,000 for and then look to "flip it" for a huge profit immediately. Would you pay me or him $10,000 for it??? That's what I thought, the answer is almost always gonna be no. And if it's too hard for you to follow in this thread, I'm a collector, not a shady seller.

[glchen]

Personally, I don't know why this back and forth between John and Glenn is getting so much "press." I've had the same conversations at least 50 times both as buyer and seller that pretty much just look the same as that one. It's no big deal. Move on, nothing to see here. As the buyer, you think the reasonable price should be lower. The seller thinks it should be higher. Both have valid reasons. Deals fall apart all of the time. Who cares? Doesn't have to get personal.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by glchen

Personally, I don't know why this back and forth between John and Glenn is getting so much "press." I've had the same conversations at least 50 times both as buyer and seller that pretty much just look the same as that one. It's no big deal. Move on, nothing to see here. As the buyer, you think the reasonable price should be lower. The seller thinks it should be higher. Both have valid reasons. Deals fall apart all of the time. Who cares? Doesn't have to get personal.

Gary, agree 100%

The reason this was brought up is that Glenn was making claims that sellers waste folks time by having things listed for sale that aren’t in his eyes really for sale.

I simply brought this up to Glenn that perhaps why things aren’t sometimes for sale is the price being offered isn’t in line. Case in point his PM to me…now Glenn has turned this to it was my fault he offered low and all of this falls back on the seller he contacted out of the blue. Nothing is on Glenn and I was somehow playing games yet then again he contacted me hmmm how did I do this again?

I really don’t care either way just thought it was funny Glenn on his soapbox talking about fair dealings and real offers and not wasting folks time and having this in my PM box just the other day.

Cheers,

John

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by glchen

Personally, I don't know why this back and forth between John and Glenn is getting so much "press." I've had the same conversations at least 50 times both as buyer and seller that pretty much just look the same as that one. It's no big deal. Move on, nothing to see here. As the buyer, you think the reasonable price should be lower. The seller thinks it should be higher. Both have valid reasons. Deals fall apart all of the time. Who cares? Doesn't have to get personal.

Don't worry Gary, John knows exactly what the case was and his overall attitude about selling, don't let it fool you. I guess everything would have been all good had I been the dumb ass to offer to pay John $8-10K for his card right?

I guess I'll say everybody is thinking because I just don't give a $hit, basically what happened was I ask John if he wants to sell, he says "well I really don't have to sell"......"but if I do, IT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAP".....translation turned out to be "sure if you're dumb enough to make me an offer for 2-3 times what I paid, I'll sell it".....well yeah! Of course! If everybody was a sucker and always paid 2-3 times for everything I owned, I'd be a sell everything I had too! Is it clear enough now?

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

Yeah I was looking to pay close to $6,000 for a card that was paid $4,000 for and then look to "flip it" for a huge profit. Would you pay me or him $10,000 for it??? That's what I thought.

I wouldnt pay 10000 dollars for a baseball card ever, I dont think.

But he was up front with you, said he paid 4700 (not 4000) and you offer 4500...and he bought it before the "fad" hit.

Obviously he thinks its worth considerably more than the price he bought it for. I think you do too. You wanted to flip it for profit, didn't you?

That's what I thought.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

I wouldnt pay 10000 dollars for a baseball card ever, I dont think.

But he was up front with you, said he paid 4700 (not 4000) and you offer 4500...and he bought it before the "fad" hit.

Obviously he thinks its worth considerably more than the price he bought it for. I think you do too. You wanted to flip it for profit, didn't you?

That's what I thought.

How did you jump to THAT conclusion?
It wasn't from the "that's how smart buyers lose money in the future, just like in the stock market" statement in the PM, was it?

[glchen]

It doesn't matter what John paid for it. I've bought plenty of cards only to find out later that I overpaid for it, and have a hard time going down and losing money on the card in order to get to "market price." However, John doesn't believe that is the case with this card in regards to correct market value, and probably thinks Glenn is lowballing him. As I said this happens all of the time. No big deal. Move on. And personally, I also think that paying $$$$ for rare back T206 commons is absolutely nuts. However, there are like 10,000 avid T206 collectors that vehemently disagree with me, so I think I am in the minuscule minority along w/ Glenn. People have their own opinions on the true worth of these cards. That's how it is. It's like on the CU board, people are raving on how 1977 PSA 9 Ozzie Smith cards are hitting record prices. I get a headache reading those threads. But to each, his own.

Anyway, Glenn, as John said, no worries. It's not "playing games." This is just normal negotiations. Nothing to sweat over.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Glenn this has nothing to do with me or my lack of motivation. As a buyer it’s on you to motivate me to sell an item that I truly don’t need to sell let alone sell at a loss. I made it clear in the PM on the “do you have a price in mind” comment from you “not cheap” I said…your offer to that comment less than what I publicly paid 2 years ago.

You know the value of these cards; you know what they go for certainly enough to lecture me about fads and price points. Heck you even point out to that I would do better at auction and get more while the back craze is in full swing for this card vs. selling to you today, good advice after you didn’t score the card cheap. I loved that part.

Even more insulting that now you want to play big dog and claim you would have gone way higher and it was me that was holding you back from making a “real” offer. Really I made you lowball me? I have to stop doing that to myself.

This is exactly my point for every unreasonable seller they’re just as many unreasonable buyers. Because I didn’t jump at your offer I’m an unreasonable seller who just doesn’t get it and was wasting your time with items that you have deemed not for sale because they didn’t get sold to you at your offer price.

Cheers,

John

P.S. So everyone can see what an unreasonable seller I was being...

And you think by telling me you don't "have to sell" or "it won't be cheap" didnt dictate my offer and responses?? Again....I don't play the seller games.