What the hate site says about Todd

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Ummmm...if all he's ever done is try to clean up the hobby how do you explain cutting up that first day cover and selling the autos separately?

just a question: is there any chance that the 2 autos were actually legit? i have a feeling that any good dealer would take back any autograph if their customer wasn't satisfied...but if the dealer is convinced that the auto(s) are genuine, they would resell. dave atkatz may have had his concerns about the legitimacy of the autos, but he might not have been correct.

basically, just because someone asks for and receives a refund for an autograph that the buyer suspects is fake, that doesn't logically follow that it necessarily IS fake.

right?

[packs]

In the signature an actor who played a role in the film mis-identified his own role. Maybe that happens. Maybe it doesn't.

As the poster pointed out the envelope was issued after one of the actors had died.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

just a question: is there any chance that the 2 autos were actually legit? i have a feeling that any good dealer would take back any autograph if their customer wasn't satisfied...but if the dealer is convinced that the auto(s) are genuine, they would resell. dave atkatz may have had his concerns about the legitimacy of the autos, but he might not have been correct.

basically, just because someone asks for and receives a refund for an autograph that the buyer suspects is fake, that doesn't logically follow that it necessarily IS fake.

right?

The autographs were fake. I showed the exemplars from which they were copied.

Hmmm... Let's see... The FDC was issued a year after Dwight Frye died. Frye mis-identified his most famous character. Identical examples exist--ripe for the copying on a single catalog page, and the lack of a character name for Frye easily explains the inappropriate "Igor." Meuller, who supposedly believes the FDC is genuine, destroys it to produce two less valuable cuts. And, finally, when confronted--twice--with the evidence of forgery, issues refunds.

Why in the world would anyone think--even for an instant--the FDC was genuine?

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

The autographs were fake. I showed the exemplars from which they were copied.

Hmmm... Let's see... The FDC was issued a year after Dwight Frye died. Frye mis-identified his most famous character. Identical examples exist--ripe for the copying on a single catalog page, and the lack of a character name for Frye easily explains the inappropriate "Igor." Meuller, who supposedly believes the FDC is genuine, destroys it to produce two less valuable cuts. And, finally, when confronted--twice--with the evidence of forgery, issues refunds.

Why in the world would anyone think--even for an instant--the FDC was genuine?

word up. was just asking/wondering.

[earlywynnfan]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

The autographs were fake. I showed the exemplars from which they were copied.

Hmmm... Let's see... The FDC was issued a year after Dwight Frye died. Frye mis-identified his most famous character. Identical examples exist--ripe for the copying on a single catalog page, and the lack of a character name for Frye easily explains the inappropriate "Igor." Meuller, who supposedly believes the FDC is genuine, destroys it to produce two less valuable cuts. And, finally, when confronted--twice--with the evidence of forgery, issues refunds.

Why in the world would anyone think--even for an instant--the FDC was genuine?

I'm not defending or trying to argue, but you posted a link that shows "the exemplars from which they were copied." This was an auto'd page. Can you shed some light on how you know your exemplar wasn't the copy??

Again, not trying to say the FDC was legit.

Ken

[David Atkatz]

Because Frye didn't sign an FDC a year after he died.

[cubsfan-budman]

Why in the world would anyone think--even for an instant--the FDC was genuine?

Didn't you buy it in the first place? Seems like you thought it was genuine...?

[David Atkatz]

You're right. It was genuine.

Todd's "da man."

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You're right. It was genuine.

Todd's "da man."

Cool, whatever. Just seems like your words and your actions are at odds.

No one could believe it was real even for "an instant", but you held onto it for "a few months".