What the hate site says about Todd

[David Atkatz]

You're right. It was genuine.

Todd's "da man."

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You're right. It was genuine.

Todd's "da man."

Cool, whatever. Just seems like your words and your actions are at odds.

No one could believe it was real even for "an instant", but you held onto it for "a few months".

[David Atkatz]

Once I saw the RR catalog page, I was on the phone to Mueller in thirty seconds.

And, additionally, if you believe a signed artifact is genuine, you don't cut it up.

But, as I said, you're right. It was real.

[JT]

Food for thought.

Many first day covers are sold before the actual event or whatever these are commemorating, thus this FDC could have been issued before Frye died.

Stamps are also sold before the first "Official" issue.

Cancellations can be added weeks, months, or a good amount of time after the event by the USPS.

The FDC in question here could have been sold and signed by Frye before he died and the cancellation added later.

Not starting anything, just that the issue here is not 100% accurate.

[David Atkatz]

Yeah. It was genuine. That's why Mueller cut it up.

BTW. When Frye died, he was virtually unknown. Hadn't had an acting job in a while, and was working as a tool maker in an aircraft plant. So it isn't very likely that some fan found one of the as-yet-unreleased FDCs, and had Frye sign it. With the wrong character name. You know. The name that didn't enter common parlance as the mad doctor's assistant until many years later.

But what am I saying? The FDC was real.

[cubsfan-budman]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Yeah. It was genuine. That's why Mueller cut it up.

BTW. When Frye died, he was virtually unknown. Hadn't had an acting job in a while, and was working as a tool maker in an aircraft plant. So it isn't very likely that some fan found one of the as-yet-unreleased FDCs, and had Frye sign it. With the wrong character name. You know. The name that didn't enter common parlance as the mad doctor's assistant until many years later.

But what am I saying? The FDC was real.

I think its interesting that there were so many "glaring" issues with these autos...i mean NO ONE could reasonably believe they were real, yet you still bought it and held onto it for a few months.

Maybe the FDC in question never existed at all...

[David Atkatz]

You're probably right. I made the whole thing up.

Of course, I did post scans of both the FDC, and the RR Auction catalog page, and I do still have the Mueller auction catalog. But they're all most likely just figments of my over-active imagination. So, never mind.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by JT

Food for thought.

Many first day covers are sold before the actual event or whatever these are commemorating, thus this FDC could have been issued before Frye died.

Stamps are also sold before the first "Official" issue.

Cancellations can be added weeks, months, or a good amount of time after the event by the USPS.

Me being completely ignorant of FDC's and how they are/were issued and distributed, what kind of range are we talking here? I could see them being printed up weeks or even months before the "First Day of Issue" event, especially "back in the day" when distribution of the physical envelopes would have taken longer, but surely the lapse between printing and cancellation wouldn't have been more than a couple of months? Or is there something that I'm overlooking in the process? I'm not trying to cast judgement on either side of the argument, but just looking for a typical range for future reference.

[Runscott]

I have never physically met any of you, and have only been talking autographs here for about a year, so I can say this without too much hypocrisy. I see the following reasons for nonsensical behavior towards sellers, auction houses and bloggers. All make perfect sense to me, because they involve money and/or emotion. I have to admit, I'm guilty of the third one every now and then, and in 'real' life I'm guilty of the first one, and I suspect I'm not the only one

• the person is your friend, so you make excuses for their illegal/unethical behavior
• the person provides part of your income, whether it be through advertising or buying stuff from you
• the person sells you stuff that you need for your collection
• the person pissed you off, but otherwise you have no proof of illegal behavior

[shelly]

Scott you forgot one,

The person pissed you off because he denies selling bad stuff and you can prove it.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by JT

Many first day covers are sold before the actual event or whatever these are commemorating, thus this FDC could have been issued before Frye died.

Stamps are also sold before the first "Official" issue.

Cancellations can be added weeks, months, or a good amount of time after the event by the USPS.

Sometimes blank envelopes are signed and a rubber stamp cachet and postmark is added at a later date. You see this often with astronauts. An envelope is signed and then later postmarked the day of the launch or moon landing.

But the item is question is not a rubber stamp cachet -- it is a cachet printed on the envelope at the time of initial printing and dated 1944. Does anyone seriously think this postal cover dated 1944 was available, sent to a star, and signed prior to November 1943?

Further, I do not believe the post office ever pre- or post-dates a postal cancellation. The date on the cancel is the date it was stamped. If this is not true, I'd like to see a reference proving otherwise.

So we are left to believe that a series of highly unlikely occurrences happened with the postal cancellation and printing of the envelope, or the signature is fake.

Occam's razor.

[shelly]

I find it amazing that people can question something so bad and try and to make it authentic. You can not sign something dated a year after your dead.
I think that would be a dead giveaway no pun intended.