Need Help with Bucky Harris from Permier Auction

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

I get the impression that he agrees it is fake, but he can't get his money back from the auction house based on Jim's word on this message board. The OP has said as much a couple of times. If it's fake, hopefully it will be found as such by JSA, at which point he can ask for his money back.

I suppose if JSA finds it is genuine, then there may be an issue.

I think that some folks here are a bit too eager to harshly judge some of the newbies that come here asking for opinions.

Originally Posted by drc

I'm not an autograph expert and know that there are many learned and helpful people on this site who've done a service in offering their inputs, people who know a lot more about autographs than I do. My problem in this thread is there is no rule, stated or unstated or implied, that a collector can't ask for an opinion on this website then seek another opinion elsewhere. An autograph or baseball card or baseball bat owner is free to get a third opinion elsewhere after asking for an opinion here. It's his right.

It is his right to do whatever he wants, but he even admitted he doesn't want it even if it does pass JSA. He wants to pass something he and two learned experts agree is no good on to some other unsuspecting buyer.

Where has honor gone nowadays? I cannot believe people are sticking up for this ridiculousness. I'm sure the guy is a decent person, but his comments are stupid.

[drc]

I'm a photograph expert, and I admit I can get peeved when a person sends a photograph to certain places for authentication. In part, I sometimes think its a waste of time after I just told them what it is. But some collectors need their photograph in a labelled holder. So I am able to understand why folks here could get miffed if someone chose to send it to JSA after getting good opinions here. I just think it's his right to do so.

[tazdmb]

I am only responding to this thread since it has been bumped so many times after I hoped it would have died, so hopefully this will be enough to answer some your comments.

The only reason I initially stated I would possibly sell was that I interpreted Jim's initial comments when he said the authenticity was "probably debatable" (never was it initially stated that it was a deemed forgery) as that the photo could be authentic and if you look on ebay, there is a similar photo, signed in a similar marker being sold by a dealer that has a top reputation on this board, so I initially figured there was nothing wrong for me doing the same, if it passed. I am curious any of you that have crucified me here have contacted this seller and demand that he pull it down.

I will assume some did not read when I stated back on page 2 that I would destroy the photo if it passes JSA, which I have yet to hear back from, if other respected members of this community believe it was not authentic, which I felt was not clear in Jim's initial comment, but was made clear (to me) later on. The reason the photo is being sent to JSA (and only JSA) in the first place is to try and get a refund from the auction house, which is my only recourse. Is is DEFIANTLY not because I trust them over Jim or Ron or to get a fake I can live with-if that were the case, I would never post on here and buy only from Coach's Corner. The auction house placed this rule, not me. I think anyone in my position would do the same if they found out something wasn't authentic, it was not to second guess Jim, which I have spoken to privately about.

In the meantime, I am always grateful to the members of this community who help those, such as myself, with their comments reagrding our hobby.

Now, I am off to sell my ACE certified Frank Grant autograph baseball (yes-that is a joke).

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Now, I am off to sell my ACE certified Frank Grant autograph baseball (yes-that is a joke).

If you are offering something for sale at least show us a picture

[travrosty]

the game goes like this, first ask someone online for free,

if their opinion is not what you wanted, then send it to psa, if it doesnt pass, then send it to jsa, if it doesnt pass then send it to global, if it doesnt pass then find someone else to give it a cert. But get that cert, darn it!

meanwhile all the old time hobbyists and collectors needed is to see the item for themselves to make up their own mind, and if an opinion from jim stinson or if other well established dealers or hobbyists opinion came with it, fine, but a psa or jsa opinion when you dont even know who looked at it?

it could have been a 19 year old college intern for all we know. what kind of weight is that?

I was talking to someone last night, and told him that I knew many of the boxing collectors and dealers and people in the hobby whose opinion I trust on boxing, but never in those years and years, have I ever heard the name Grad or Spence? Now their supposed secret opinion on some letterhead is suppose to convince someone that a boxing item is good, or bad? I say boxing because it is my hobby, not baseball so much, but it applies across the board.

jim, you need to start charging $$$. so then only the people who want to really know if it is good or not will pay, no fishing expeditions.