Need Help with Bucky Harris from Permier Auction

[cubsfan-budman]

I get the impression that he agrees it is fake, but he can't get his money back from the auction house based on Jim's word on this message board. The OP has said as much a couple of times. If it's fake, hopefully it will be found as such by JSA, at which point he can ask for his money back.

I suppose if JSA finds it is genuine, then there may be an issue.

I think that some folks here are a bit too eager to harshly judge some of the newbies that come here asking for opinions.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

I get the impression that he agrees it is fake, but he can't get his money back from the auction house based on Jim's word on this message board. The OP has said as much a couple of times. If it's fake, hopefully it will be found as such by JSA, at which point he can ask for his money back.

I suppose if JSA finds it is genuine, then there may be an issue.

I think that some folks here are a bit too eager to harshly judge some of the newbies that come here asking for opinions.

+1...

[packs]

I found myself in this position recently as well. I bought a Babe Ruth signed Worlds Fair ticket from Lelands that members on the Board felt was a forgery. I called Lelands and told them about their opinions and Lelands then offered to send the signature to JSA for their opinion. It turned out that the Board was right, the signature was a forgery and I was refunded in full and received a $100 voucher for a future auction.

So why did I ask for the Board's opinion and request a third party's opinion too? Because I have a great deal of respect for both the members of this Board and the auction house, and as we all know, people make mistakes.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I think some of you people are missing the point. This is not to criticize him for attempting to get his money back. If he can use what Mr Stinson told him and what he learned from Mr Keurajian's book that is great, it's the fact that he clearly states (even though he and others suspect it's forged) that he plans to resell the item to "recoup" his money. So basically he admits he made a mistake and instead of eating the loss on his mistake, he plans to let someone else eat it if it passes authentication. Again, am I missing something here?

I don't think this is harsh, it's the truth. I have been buying and selling autographs on a small scale along with other vintage memorabilia for many years and I have made many mistakes, one thing I don't do is pass my mistakes on to others. Mistakes are part of the game anytime you choose to buy an autograph that you did not personally see signed, but passing it on is exactly why people hate third party authentication so much

[David Atkatz]

I have, at this moment, a 1927 Yankees signed ball sitting on my desk.
A four-figure mistake on my part.
It keeps me humble. (Or at least more humble than I would be without it.)

[drc]

I'm not an autograph expert and know that there are many learned and helpful people on this site who've done a service in offering their inputs, people who know a lot more about autographs than I do. My problem in this thread is there is no rule, stated or unstated or implied, that a collector can't ask for an opinion on this website then seek another opinion elsewhere. An autograph or baseball card or baseball bat owner is free to get a third opinion elsewhere after asking for an opinion here. It's his right.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by cubsfan-budman

I get the impression that he agrees it is fake, but he can't get his money back from the auction house based on Jim's word on this message board. The OP has said as much a couple of times. If it's fake, hopefully it will be found as such by JSA, at which point he can ask for his money back.

I suppose if JSA finds it is genuine, then there may be an issue.

I think that some folks here are a bit too eager to harshly judge some of the newbies that come here asking for opinions.

Originally Posted by drc

I'm not an autograph expert and know that there are many learned and helpful people on this site who've done a service in offering their inputs, people who know a lot more about autographs than I do. My problem in this thread is there is no rule, stated or unstated or implied, that a collector can't ask for an opinion on this website then seek another opinion elsewhere. An autograph or baseball card or baseball bat owner is free to get a third opinion elsewhere after asking for an opinion here. It's his right.

It is his right to do whatever he wants, but he even admitted he doesn't want it even if it does pass JSA. He wants to pass something he and two learned experts agree is no good on to some other unsuspecting buyer.

Where has honor gone nowadays? I cannot believe people are sticking up for this ridiculousness. I'm sure the guy is a decent person, but his comments are stupid.