How does this Heritage/Mantle look to you?

[JimStinson]

What ever it was its gone so SOMEONE reads this stuff ..., Being banned from auctions ? Seriously ? Let me get this straight ... If someone "wins" something at a high end auction that means they were the ONE person in the ENTIRE WORLD that was willing to pay more than anyone else. Which (I guess) means they paid too much.
Thats like a Vegas Casino putting a limit on how much a player can lose..
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[RichardSimon]

Well, at least they did pull it.
But I would be really interested in their definition of pre-certified.
Pre-certified with the auctions that I am aware of usually means that a TPA at least gives the item a cursory look.
Was that Mantle given a cursory look by PSA or JSA?
I could not believe in a thousand years that either PSA or JSA would have given that Florida crap Mantle a thumbs up.
Heritage - why not come on and tell us who pre-certified that piece. You have come on Net54 before, this one needs an explanation.

[RichardSimon]

I do have the screen shot of this listing. However I had to save it in my photo editing software (only way to save screen shots) and I cannot upload it on Net54.

[kneerat]

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by kneerat

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

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[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by kneerat

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

Chris,
So if the item is listed without an examination, why say it is pre-certified and create an impression that is totally incorrect?
I don't regard this question as mud slinging, I do think it is worthy of a response.
The entire hobby is improved by truthful statements in auction house descriptions, don't you think?

[shelly]

Chris,
You say pre certified in many of your auction descriptions but we don't even know who does the pre certifying based on your auction descriptions.In this case I would have thought Drew Max, Ted Taylor and if you where very lucky Morales might have done your early certification.
And as Richard has pointed out you are saying pre certified when the item has not been pre certified I am really confused.
You also ask us to help you out by e mailing you when we find mistakes.
You are paying the major tpa guys to do that work, why ask us to do it for free why not make us an offer we can't refuse. I know that there are better people on this site vs who you hire. How about the two geniuses that work for you now do you not trust there work?
Putting up that Mantle picture when the knowing part of the autograph community knows it is crap is an insult to us and makes us think you don't even care.
If no one had said a word about that piece how do we know that it would have been taken down?

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by kneerat

Hello,

This thread has been brought to our attention so we would like to provide some clarification of our authentication process.
First, and most importantly, every autograph sold by Heritage is authenticated by PSA/DNA, James Spence, or both.
We cannot stress this enough. Due to the logistics of running constant auctions that begin and end every week, occasionally we must list material prior to its evaluation by PSA/DNA, who examines our Sunday Internet Sports Auctions (SISA). While this is admittedly not ideal, it is important to understand that no auction reaches its conclusion without that evaluation. Lots are pulled prior to the end of the four-week bidding process if they are deemed not authentic or questionable. Never will an autographed lot in a Heritage auction close prior to examination. We do understand it can be frustrating to bid on a lot only to have the auction end prior to the conclusion, but we would all agree that this is preferable to selling material that is not genuine. We would also suggest that ideally those who feel they have spotted a problematic item in a Heritage auction would bring it to our attention directly via email to Sports@HA.com, which would be the most effective course of action to ensure speedy removal of such items from auction. The entire hobby is improved when mudslinging is replaced by goodwill and a helpful intent.

Thank you for the response. I believe it was a good one and what, I , personally figured. Unfortunately, as you see below.. it doesn't matter what you say to some.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Thank you for the response. I believe it was a good one and what, I , personally figured. Unfortunately, as you see below.. it doesn't matter what you say to some.

Ben,

You see no issues with one of the major auction houses using the word "pre-certified" when it has actually not been? That doesn't seem like a CYA statement to you?

You shouldn't write the words "pre-certified" until it has been done. It is misleading and shady.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Ben,

You see no issues with one of the major auction houses using the word "pre-certified" when it has actually not been? That doesn't seem like a CYA statement to you?

You shouldn't write the words "pre-certified" until it has been done. It is misleading and shady.

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Ben is like the three wise monkeys, see no evil, etc.

[frankbmd]

Although I think the term pre-certified implies that someone may have looked at an item, the prefix pre- could be interpreted from a linguistic perspective as simply before. Thus pre-certified linguistically implies before certification, which also implies the item will be looked at some time in the future when it is certified or not.

Similarly if you have a three year old child in pre-k (nursery school), the term pre-K does not imply that the child is qualified for, eligible for or would ever be able to handle the rigors of the kindergarten curriculum.

Thus I do not think technically that pre-certified means anything with respect to the authenticity of an item, good, bad or ugly.

I raise this point not to defend Heritage or anyone else that uses the term pre-certified, just to clarify the actual meaning of the language involved. I am not commenting on intent.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Thank you for the response. I believe it was a good one and what, I , personally figured. Unfortunately, as you see below.. it doesn't matter what you say to some.

You have to be kidding. You think they are right. You think that we should help them for free. It does matter what they say. It also matters what we say and we should not be put down for it.