Poll: What is your opinion on the value of T206 WST (Wet Sheet Transfers)?

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

hopefully no one takes offense, but they have never really done anything for me. if they were actually struck or printed in error, or over-printed, that would be one thing, but simply having wet ink transferred from one wet card to another when the sheets were stacked, is not really special or desirable to me...but to each, his own.

I totally agree. I voted no value change. Maybe if the front of a Piedmont card had a Drum wet sheet transfer on it, then I coud see maybe an increase in price.

[teetwoohsix]

I like the WST's a lot, the heavier the better. Even better when it's a WST of another brand on the front than the brand on the back (although it's a bit of a mystery how that happens).

A really light WST is nice, but I like the dramatic ones better. I'd pay a slight premium I guess, depending on the card.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Abravefan11]

I believe there are different types of transfers and that they effect value differently. Some, like Leon's Meusel, can add a premium, while others may add nothing.

[srs1a]

I believe there are different types of transfers and that they effect value differently. Some, like Leon's Meusel, can add a premium, while others may add nothing.

I completely agree Tim. For whatever reason, I split them by "ghost images" where the front of one card ends up on the back of another and "wet sheet transfers" where the back ends up on the front. I understand that there really isn't a difference in how they were formed, but this is how I view them in my mind.

I think "ghost images" are really cool and the strong ones should command a reasonable (strong?) premium. Weaker ones like the following Street, I'm not so sure about -- maybe a very slight premium, maybe nothing.



I think "wet sheet transfers" can also be interesting when they are very strong or just curious. I liked the Johnson below because of the detail in the transfer -- but, I didn't pay a premium for it.





When it is just a hint of an Old Mill that you have to squint to see (like Joss below), then I don't think that they are particularly special.

[Forever Young]

I find it interesting all the people that voted "I simply do not care". They obviously care enough to read the thread and vote. Perhaps these people should change their grumpy pants.
I think these printing mistakes are part of history and cool even though I really don't collect cards anymore. They are obviously rarer that one without the transfer. I think that the kind of transfer makes a difference though. If it is say a complete ghost image of portrait vs paint marks, it should be of higher premium because it is "pretty".

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

I find it interesting all the people that voted "I simply do not care". They obviously care enough to read the thread and vote. Perhaps these people should change their grumpy pants.
I think these printing mistakes are part of history and cool even though I really don't collect cards anymore. They are obviously rarer that one without the transfer. I think that the kind of transfer makes a difference though. If it is say a complete ghost image of portrait vs paint marks, it should be of higher premium because it is "pretty".

Ben,
Mine was one of the "I do not care" votes because I don't collect these and didn't want to skew the poll results with an uninformed vote. I was, however, curious as to the general sentiment, and since I couldn't see the poll results unless I voted...

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

Mine was one of the "I do not care" votes because I don't collect these and didn't want to skew the poll results with an uninformed vote. I was, however, curious as to the general sentiment, and since I couldn't see the poll results unless I voted...

Lance,

Sorry about that. This is the first time I have posted a poll and didn't know folks would not be able to see the results unless they voted.

That said; I appreciate you weighing in here and truly thank you for casting a vote.

Best Regards,

Eric

[g_vezina_c55]

These wet transfer are verry cool.
For me a slight premium is corect.

[teetwoohsix]

I was looking at Steve's SC image in the 15 pocket page, and wondering if that was an old 15 pocket page. I recall buying these sleeves and seeing them promoted as "acid free, no PVC" and thought if those sleeves were old, maybe that transfer was from the acid or PVC in the plastic?

The Chase dark cap Sov.460 I have has an EPDG image on the front (I've posted it before), for some reason I can't post the photo anymore. It's hard for me to imagine it's from being stacked, because there's no bleeding of the ink on the surface, and no type of WST or colors on the back.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Ladder7]

Same value as a stock card. These could be a simple means for an unscrupulous fellow to cash in.

Of course it has occured by the apprentice stacking sheets after the print run. Some of the factories were hot and humid places. But also, I've seen this same effect with other carelessly stored, antique vintage ephemera.

Im certain where the temperature and humidity vary throughout the year in addition to being sandwiched, the conditions facilitated the formation of these anomalies.

Plastic surface of a 15 pocket page and back of a c1900 photo after prolonged storage:

[ullmandds]

Ive got to agree w/steve here...way too easy to "create" these...like adding a stamp to a card?!

There are definitely some freaks...like leons...like jamies...that should command premiums...

[brob28]

Great poll Eric. While I find some of them interesting I'm not interested in paying a premium for them.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

Same value as a stock card. These could be a simple means for an unscrupulous fellow to cash in.

Of course it has occured by the apprentice stacking sheets after the print run. Some of the factories were hot and humid places. But also, I've seen this same effect with other carelessly stored, antique vintage ephemera.

Im certain where the temperature and humidity vary throughout the year in addition to being sandwiched, the conditions facilitated the formation of these anomalies.

Plastic surface of a 15 pocket page and back of a c1900 photo after prolonged storage:

Steve F,

The evidence you present is quite compelling.



Thank you very much for posting this picture...It is truly appreciated - and, in my humble opinion - adds great value to this discussion.

Could T206 WST cards held by many of us be nothing more than byproducts of poor storage...well after the original printing? An interesting question, to be sure.

As always, I welcome the opinions of everyone here.

Best Regards,

Eric

[ullmandds]

I would think it wouldnt be too hard to simulate this? Maybe stack a few beater t206's and put them in a sauna...or use a steamer on them and see if it bleeds.

If i had some id try it! Anyone have a sauna at home?