Misrepresentation

[4815162342]

That's a tough situation Ed. If only you would have noticed it prior to cracking the card out...

[Edwolf1963]

You're right, Daryl - that one I was kicking myself on. And part of me thought not even to write, just let it go - my bad in not noticing, caveat emptor, etc. I guess I sort of got in the "me" mode a bit and thought I'd at least let the Seller know. Perhaps he'd come back and apologize, not intended, maybe talk about trade back, something workable? Thinking if it were me, honestly, that's what I'd do - especially if I made a f-up in the listing. The ignoring, no replies started eating away at me - just felt like "too bad, you bought it, I made out - you're stuck with it" sort of thing.

Again, I do appreciate and respect opinions here. Too easy to fall into the how it made me feel, look at it from my perspective thing. That's why I posted here.

Thanks for your feedback!

[honus94566]

Have 45 days passed since you paid? If not, there is still time to file a paypal dispute on the transaction. IMO the seller should accept a refund of the card.

[Edwolf1963]

Thanks, Dave - I filed that, he never replied to me in the ideas I suggested for resolution, something mutually acceptable - he just escalated it to eBay to resolve. They ruled in his favor bcse. I had cracked the card out of the holder.

He never said a word admitting it was a mistake or intentional. No repercussion for misleading item description.

[bobbyw8469]

IMO the seller should accept a refund of the card.

IMO the seller SHOULD NOT accept a refund of the card. It is not in the same condition as when he sent it out (ie, it is not in a grading companies case).

I was totally on your side until you cracked it out. Once you cracked it out, all bets are off. ALL of the grading companies (PSA, SGC, even CGC for comics) have warranties that entail the case being non-compromised. Once you compromised the case, as much as I hate to say it, you are own your own!

[t206fix]

I'm on your side Ed. The tag clearly says 1914 - and the assumption is that you were buying a 1914. Tough situation when you crack it out though - I am sure that you would have gotten a full refund if you didn't crack it, but a good seller would have gotten back to you and at least apologized. But as you said, the misrepresentation in the title drove the price up to the point where at least two of you were paying way over what you would have had you know it wasn't a '14. You should have shipped it back to PSA for a reholder $5 fee, and then returned it. He wouldn't have a case then!

Just my two cents,

Tony

[bobbyw8469]

I'm on your side Ed. The tag clearly says 1914

The case says 1915. The seller stated 1914. The seller worded it wrong, but a picture is worth a 1,000 words. So many items on Ebay are mislabeled, that there is a group of people that actually prey on those items hoping to snag great deals. I always pay alot more attention to the pics that a sellers words. Helps me out in looking for fakes, and 2nd edition books that sellers are claiming as first editions.

[teetwoohsix]

What it is Ed, is that you are just wanting to be treated the way you treat other people and this seller obviously doesn't do things like you do. I can say that you are one of the best people to deal with on the board and you are a top notch seller- you wouldn't handle the situation the way this seller did, if it were the other way around. I'm guessing it's more the principle (with you) than the $$. I hope it works out & sorry this happened to you.

Sincerely, Clayton

[Edwolf1963]

Thanks, Clayton, all - that's what it really comes down to is treating others as I would want to be aspect. A good business transaction is when both sides feel good about it, not when "got away" with something. Even if he came back and said little more that "my bad, sorry.." and did nothing else, I probably wouldn't have had such an issue. The ignoring, no respond, hope it will go away crap lends a lot to the perception that it was done with intent.

Can't argue w/you Bobby, eBay saw it the same way - - I wasn't looking for full refund though. eBay gives you few options you'd like to see such as keeping the card, full or partial refund. I indicated I was open to working something out, admitting that I cracked it out and open to most anything. They never read that part, just saying full refund is not approved. Even after I said that's not what I was looking for, literally noting "I don't deserve that and not what I am looking for", they denied appeal saying "sorry you had a bad experience, we cannot approve full refund"

Anyway, need to move on/let it go, but appreciate the feedback just the same. Lesson learned to pay more attention to the scans before sniping.

Clayton, again, thank you for the kind feedback! Experiences in working deals with you and everyone on this board have all been positive!

Ed

[Ease]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

What it is Ed, is that you are just wanting to be treated the way you treat other people and this seller obviously doesn't do things like you do. I can say that you are one of the best people to deal with on the board and you are a top notch seller- you wouldn't handle the situation the way this seller did, if it were the other way around. I'm guessing it's more the principle (with you) than the $$. I hope it works out & sorry this happened to you.

Sincerely, Clayton

+1

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

What it is Ed, is that you are just wanting to be treated the way you treat other people and this seller obviously doesn't do things like you do. I can say that you are one of the best people to deal with on the board and you are a top notch seller- you wouldn't handle the situation the way this seller did, if it were the other way around. I'm guessing it's more the principle (with you) than the $$. I hope it works out & sorry this happened to you.

Sincerely, Clayton

+2! If I were the seller, I would have been all apologetic and refunded you fully, or worked something else out to your satisfaction. Another indication that this misrepresentation may have been intentional is that the seller did not include a pic of the back of this card in his eBay listing.
Val

[mcadams]

Originally Posted by cardboardbliss

You should have shipped it back to PSA for a reholder $5 fee, and then returned it. He wouldn't have a case then!

Just my two cents,

Tony

Yes, the seller would still have a case and would likely still win the Ebay dispute. Because, just like what really happened, you wouldn't be returning the card in the same condition as when the buyer received it.