Baseball CdVs

[Robert_Lifson]

Originally Posted by triwak

This brings to mind a question I've had about the 1863 Jordan & Co. Harry Wright ticket/card (coming up for auction in the Spring REA):

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/3.html

If 150 of these were sold (according to the research), why has only 1 example surfaced? If people had paid the extra 25 cents to obtain one of these images, wouldn't more have been saved, perhaps in scrapbooks? Or does this even predate the scrapbooking era? It just seems like a relatively large number (with respect to ultra rare items), to have only one survive. Or maybe the fact that the Civil War was still raging, has something to do with it?

Also, my 2005 Standard Catalog lists George Wright instead of Sam Wright as part of this "set." Has this been corrected in later editions? I seem to recall seeing a George Wright CDV that was obviously taken in the same studio and at the same time, but did NOT have the game ticket info on the back. George apparently didn't play in the match.

Ken, we actually have found some very interesting additional information that is directly related to how many of each card was sold. The writeup in the previews is very preliminary and quite a few changes will be made incorporating additional information. We will get the more complete and accurate version (which itself may be tweaked during the next two months!) up in a couple of days.

Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

Robert Edward Auctions LLC

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

[GaryPassamonte]

Corey- Your Atlantics image is the best baseball CdV extant. There is no close second. It is also one of the best early baseball pieces ( I'm afraid to say card ) there is.
The lack of baseball CdVs posted on this thread leads me to believe there may be fewer than I originally estimated.

[triwak]

Originally Posted by REA

Ken, we actually have found some very interesting additional information that is directly related to how many of each card was sold. The writeup in the previews is very preliminary and quite a few changes will be made incorporating additional information. We will get the more complete and accurate version (which itself may be tweaked during the next two months!) up in a couple of days.

Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

Robert Edward Auctions LLC

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

Thank you. Looking forward to the auction!

[packs]

Whoops mine was a cabinet. Nevermind.

[DixieBaseball]

Gary - Interesting Thread. (Perhaps we need to wait a few months for some other examples to trickle in) It would be great to get most all these CDV's captured on one thread. Let the counting begin... Over time the populaton may become more clear.

Here is my Southern (New Orleans) CDV from 1870. These 2 Gents as it is described on the back : 1st Line : "Southern BBC" 2nd Line : "Pitcher and 1st baseman - 2nd Nine." (See bottom for description)

(The photographer, W.W. Washburn, autographed (diagonal) the reverse with studio address stamp) --- I have yet to find any info on these 2 players, but I have not researched outside the internet. When I am down to Nola, I plan on hitting the library for some clues... A fun project I look forward to...

Edited to add :

Photo Back : WW Washburn (Autographed by Photographer)
118 Canal Street, New Orleans (Back Stamp)

Photo Back wrote in ink : Compliments of Tom Simmons or Simms and Charles D Bradenburg/ C D Bradenburg ?
New Orleans, La 5th July 1870.

Bottom 1st Line : Southern BBC
Bottom 2nd Line : Pitcher and 1st base - 2nd nine

[oldjudge]

Good luck Jeremy. Those two could just as well be the local butcher and his brother. Anyone can write on the back at any time.

[GaryPassamonte]

Jeremy- Here is a CdV from Richmond, Virginia from 1867. The players are listed on the reverse and it is dated. Baseball CdVs from the South are extremely rare. I only know of two, the one I posted and one in Mark Rucker's CdV book. I also have one with a child holding a bat from Atlanta. If you count that there are three I know of.

[GaryPassamonte]

Here is the child with a bat. This is a very early, Civil War era CdV taken in Atlanta.

[DixieBaseball]

Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Jeremy- Here is a CdV from Richmond, Virginia from 1867. The players are listed on the reverse and it is dated. Baseball CdVs from the South are extremely rare. I only know of two, the one I posted and one in Mark Rucker's CdV book. I also have one with a child holding a bat from Atlanta. If you count that there are three I know of.

Gary - Thanks for sharing - Could you show a scan of the reverse ? I am intrigued by these rascals.

[DixieBaseball]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Good luck Jeremy. Those two could just as well be the local butcher and his brother. Anyone can write on the back at any time.

Jay - I get what you are saying and have had similar thought. (Where's the fountain pen expert ? )

Could the ink or style of writing be sampled scientifically to determine period ?

I don't see any real advantage for someone to write this post date on the reverse. Is it possible ? Sure, but this is not mainstream, not a popular player, etc. --- There really is no incentive to do this in my opinion, so would someone do this for the heck of it ? Seems like a waste of time to me, but if that is a meat cleaver in his pocket, then your guess might be a good one.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by NashvilleBaseball

Jay - I get what you are saying and have had similar thought. (Where's the fountain pen expert ?

Could the ink or style of writing be sampled scientifically to determine period ?

I don't see any real advantage for someone to write this post date on the reverse. Is it possible - sure, but it's value is minimal anyway. Not mainstream, not a popular player, etc. --- There really is no incentive to do this in my opinion, so would someone do this for the heck of it ? Seems like a waste of time to me, but if that is a meat cleaver in his pocket, then your guess might be a good one.

I would have written '1st nine' rather than '2nd'.