Baseball CdVs

oldjudge · #1 02-11-2013, 10:45 AM

Good luck Jeremy. Those two could just as well be the local butcher and his brother. Anyone can write on the back at any time.

GaryPassamonte · #2 02-11-2013, 10:51 AM

Jeremy- Here is a CdV from Richmond, Virginia from 1867. The players are listed on the reverse and it is dated. Baseball CdVs from the South are extremely rare. I only know of two, the one I posted and one in Mark Rucker's CdV book. I also have one with a child holding a bat from Atlanta. If you count that there are three I know of.

GaryPassamonte · #3 02-11-2013, 11:06 AM

Here is the child with a bat. This is a very early, Civil War era CdV taken in Atlanta.

DixieBaseball · #4 02-11-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GaryPassamonte

Jeremy- Here is a CdV from Richmond, Virginia from 1867. The players are listed on the reverse and it is dated. Baseball CdVs from the South are extremely rare. I only know of two, the one I posted and one in Mark Rucker's CdV book. I also have one with a child holding a bat from Atlanta. If you count that there are three I know of.

Gary - Thanks for sharing - Could you show a scan of the reverse ? I am intrigued by these rascals.

DixieBaseball · #5 02-11-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by oldjudge

Good luck Jeremy. Those two could just as well be the local butcher and his brother. Anyone can write on the back at any time.

Jay - I get what you are saying and have had similar thought. (Where's the fountain pen expert ?

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Could the ink or style of writing be sampled scientifically to determine period ?

I don't see any real advantage for someone to write this post date on the reverse. Is it possible ? Sure, but this is not mainstream, not a popular player, etc. --- There really is no incentive to do this in my opinion, so would someone do this for the heck of it ? Seems like a waste of time to me, but if that is a meat cleaver in his pocket, then your guess might be a good one.

Runscott · #6 02-11-2013, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NashvilleBaseball

Jay - I get what you are saying and have had similar thought. (Where's the fountain pen expert ?

Could the ink or style of writing be sampled scientifically to determine period ?

I don't see any real advantage for someone to write this post date on the reverse. Is it possible - sure, but it's value is minimal anyway. Not mainstream, not a popular player, etc. --- There really is no incentive to do this in my opinion, so would someone do this for the heck of it ? Seems like a waste of time to me, but if that is a meat cleaver in his pocket, then your guess might be a good one.

I would have written '1st nine' rather than '2nd'.

Jlighter · #7 02-11-2013, 11:50 AM

There's a bunch in the next Legendary Auction.

DixieBaseball · #8 02-11-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I would have written '1st nine' rather than '2nd'.

Scott - When I look at the photo, the guy on the left looks like a pitcher and the guy on the right looks like a Manager (Hand on back) or possibly a butcher. Perhaps that is why he is on the 2nd nine. Nothing like being a back up player...

Runscott · #9 02-11-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NashvilleBaseball

Scott - When I look at the photo, the guy on the left looks like a pitcher and the guy on the right looks like a Manager (Hand on back) or possibly a butcher. Perhaps that is why he is on the 2nd nine. Nothing like being a back up player...

I was generally 3rd nine, so these guys are impressive to me.

I agree with you - using common sense, there's no reason to think the writing on the back isn't accurate. Kind of strange in our hobby when it comes to using common sense - we'll let an item slide as 'okay' when common sense says to ask questions, but we'll analyze the hell out of something that common sense says there's no incentive for anyone to have messed with it.

Runscott · #10 02-11-2013, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NashvilleBaseball

Scott - When I look at the photo, the guy on the left looks like a pitcher and the guy on the right looks like a Manager (Hand on back) or possibly a butcher. Perhaps that is why he is on the 2nd nine. Nothing like being a back up player...

I recently wrote an article about a semi-pro baseball team whose star player was a butcher. I'm hoping this will help when I do future interviews - there have to be a few old folks around who remember buying meat from him when they were younger.

drc · #11 02-11-2013, 01:26 PM

I think they were spies posing as baseball players in street clothes.

If you wanted, you could get an educated opinion on the age of the writing. A historical autograph expert/veteran might be able to give you an opinion.

DixieBaseball · #12 02-11-2013, 03:38 PM

DRC - Thanks for the info... I am sure I will move that direction. If these names are correct, perhaps I can scrub to find the death certificates, confirm the name and then work my way back once I know the names on the reverse are accurate. I have no idea how good the record keeping in NO is in 1870. Should be fun research.

Photo Back : WW Washburn (Autographed by Photographer)
118 Canal Street, New Orleans (Back Stamp)

Photo Back wrote in ink : Compliments of Tom Simmons or Simms and Charles D Bradenburg/ C D Bradenburg ?
New Orleans, La 5th July 1870.

Bottom 1st Line : Southern BBC
Bottom 2nd Line : Pitcher and 1st base - 2nd nine

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