Baseball CdVs

[oldjudge]

Nice card Corey. Regardless of your definition, I guess that clearly eliminates the SRA card as being the first baseball card. Not that anyone who knew what they were doing thought that that CdV was the first baseball card anyway.

[drc]

As a longtime photograph enthusiast, I've never thought a photo had to be labelled as a 'baseball card' to be good. In fact, I'm rather snooty and would take exception to people calling my photographs trading cards.

To me, I've found it rather comical that once something is called a 'baseball card' baseball card collectors are willing to pay triple the price.

[triwak]

This brings to mind a question I've had about the 1863 Jordan & Co. Harry Wright ticket/card (coming up for auction in the Spring REA):

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/3.html

If 150 of these were sold (according to the research), why has only 1 example surfaced? If people had paid the extra 25 cents to obtain one of these images, wouldn't more have been saved, perhaps in scrapbooks? Or does this even predate the scrapbooking era? It just seems like a relatively large number (with respect to ultra rare items), to have only one survive. Or maybe the fact that the Civil War was still raging, has something to do with it?

Also, my 2005 Standard Catalog lists George Wright instead of Sam Wright as part of this "set." Has this been corrected in later editions? I seem to recall seeing a George Wright CDV that was obviously taken in the same studio and at the same time, but did NOT have the game ticket info on the back. George apparently didn't play in the match.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by triwak

This brings to mind a question I've had about the 1863 Jordan & Co. Harry Wright ticket/card (coming up for auction in the Spring REA):

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/3.html

If 150 of these were sold (according to the research), why has only 1 example surfaced? If people had paid the extra 25 cents to obtain one of these images, wouldn't more have been saved, perhaps in scrapbooks? Or does this even predate the scrapbooking era? It just seems like a relatively large number (with respect to ultra rare items), to have only one survive. Or maybe the fact that the Civil War was still raging, has something to do with it?

Also, my 2005 Standard Catalog lists George Wright instead of Sam Wright as part of this "set." Has this been corrected in later editions? I seem to recall seeing a George Wright CDV that was obviously taken in the same studio and at the same time, but did NOT have the game ticket info on the back. George apparently didn't play in the match.

In the preview it says less then 10 are known, but defintley more then 1. Unless your just talking about the Harry Wrighy card?

[triwak]

Originally Posted by Jlighter

In the preview it says less then 10 are known, but defintley more then 1. Unless your just talking about the Harry Wrighy card?

Yes, I was referring to the Harry Wright card only. Supposedly, 150 of those were sold.

[Runscott]

moved...no one gives a crap - my apologies for the interruption

[Robert_Lifson]

Originally Posted by triwak

This brings to mind a question I've had about the 1863 Jordan & Co. Harry Wright ticket/card (coming up for auction in the Spring REA):

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/3.html

If 150 of these were sold (according to the research), why has only 1 example surfaced? If people had paid the extra 25 cents to obtain one of these images, wouldn't more have been saved, perhaps in scrapbooks? Or does this even predate the scrapbooking era? It just seems like a relatively large number (with respect to ultra rare items), to have only one survive. Or maybe the fact that the Civil War was still raging, has something to do with it?

Also, my 2005 Standard Catalog lists George Wright instead of Sam Wright as part of this "set." Has this been corrected in later editions? I seem to recall seeing a George Wright CDV that was obviously taken in the same studio and at the same time, but did NOT have the game ticket info on the back. George apparently didn't play in the match.

Ken, we actually have found some very interesting additional information that is directly related to how many of each card was sold. The writeup in the previews is very preliminary and quite a few changes will be made incorporating additional information. We will get the more complete and accurate version (which itself may be tweaked during the next two months!) up in a couple of days.

Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

Robert Edward Auctions LLC

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

[GaryPassamonte]

Corey- Your Atlantics image is the best baseball CdV extant. There is no close second. It is also one of the best early baseball pieces ( I'm afraid to say card ) there is.
The lack of baseball CdVs posted on this thread leads me to believe there may be fewer than I originally estimated.

[triwak]

Originally Posted by REA

Ken, we actually have found some very interesting additional information that is directly related to how many of each card was sold. The writeup in the previews is very preliminary and quite a few changes will be made incorporating additional information. We will get the more complete and accurate version (which itself may be tweaked during the next two months!) up in a couple of days.

Sincerely,

Robert Lifson

Robert Edward Auctions LLC

www.RobertEdwardAuctions.com

Thank you. Looking forward to the auction!

[packs]

Whoops mine was a cabinet. Nevermind.

[DixieBaseball]

Gary - Interesting Thread. (Perhaps we need to wait a few months for some other examples to trickle in) It would be great to get most all these CDV's captured on one thread. Let the counting begin... Over time the populaton may become more clear.

Here is my Southern (New Orleans) CDV from 1870. These 2 Gents as it is described on the back : 1st Line : "Southern BBC" 2nd Line : "Pitcher and 1st baseman - 2nd Nine." (See bottom for description)

(The photographer, W.W. Washburn, autographed (diagonal) the reverse with studio address stamp) --- I have yet to find any info on these 2 players, but I have not researched outside the internet. When I am down to Nola, I plan on hitting the library for some clues... A fun project I look forward to...

Edited to add :

Photo Back : WW Washburn (Autographed by Photographer)
118 Canal Street, New Orleans (Back Stamp)

Photo Back wrote in ink : Compliments of Tom Simmons or Simms and Charles D Bradenburg/ C D Bradenburg ?
New Orleans, La 5th July 1870.

Bottom 1st Line : Southern BBC
Bottom 2nd Line : Pitcher and 1st base - 2nd nine