Horizontal t206's

[conor912]

Thanks. I gather from comments that the horizontals carry a premium?

[CobbSpikedMe]

I think they carry a small premium but not much. The Pattee is a 150 only subject and it's a beautiful card so it usually has a little more of a premium over the others. At least that's my observation.

AndyH

[cfc1909]

Pelty is also a 150 only

[DerekMichael]

I find the Dunn to be tricky. It sure feels like a horizontal to me. It seems like he is diving for a ball. I know I have never caught a pop up with the glove opening facing me. Maybe he is pulling an Andruw Jones basket catch?

I would be curious to hear some of the expert opinions on this one.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I believe the Shannon card is the same pose with a vertical background on it. I'm on my phone right now so I can't post a pic of it.

AndyH

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

I find the Dunn to be tricky. It sure feels like a horizontal to me. It seems like he is diving for a ball. I know I have never caught a pop up with the glove opening facing me. Maybe he is pulling an Andruw Jones basket catch?

I would be curious to hear some of the expert opinions on this one.

Looking at photos of a person diving for a ball, the player's non glove hand is bracing for the fall (instinct) not ready to help the glove as Dunn's hand is doing. Yet if you look at the willie may's basket catch (who would compare it to Andruw Jones) you can see the glove would face you and your other hand would be helping the glove accept the ball.





I do believe, however, that the source picture has been tilted slightly, as was done with the Bender (http://www.t206themonster.com/T206-Bender.html)

[ullmandds]

if you're a demented fisherman...dunn is horizontal...otherwise...he's obviously vertical!!!!

[DerekMichael]

That was a solid line of thinking on your part. Very nice.

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Looking at photos of a person diving for a ball, the player's non glove hand is bracing for the fall (instinct) not ready to help the glove as Dunn's hand is doing. Yet if you look at the willie may's basket catch (who would compare it to Andruw Jones) you can see the glove would face you and your other hand would be helping the glove accept the ball.





I do believe, however, that the source picture has been tilted slightly, as was done with the Bender (http://www.t206themonster.com/T206-Bender.html)

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

I find the Dunn to be tricky. It sure feels like a horizontal to me. It seems like he is diving for a ball. I know I have never caught a pop up with the glove opening facing me. Maybe he is pulling an Andruw Jones basket catch?

I would be curious to hear some of the expert opinions on this one.

I hate to bump an old thread, but I was looking through some T206s, came across Dunn and wondered if this could have been a horizontal? I tried to search first to see if it had ever been discussed and stumbled across this thread.

From Google: When he was nine, a boxcar ran over his left arm while playing at a local railway. He was told by doctors that his arm had to be either amputated or risk death. He declined an amputation, but his arm was left crippled from above the elbow and couldn't lift the arm above his neck.

If the card is to be considered a vertical, his arms are clearly above his neck which would make no sense. Therefore, I'm of the opinion that he is diving for a ball and the card is a horizontal. I know some (maybe most) will disagree, but it is a possibility.

Thoughts?

[freakhappy]

I can see how this could sway either way, but every time I look at it, I see a horizontal picture...just doesn't sit well with me from the upright position.

And to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone could be definitive on either pose...

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I can see how this could sway either way, but every time I look at it, I see a horizontal picture...just doesn't sit well with me from the upright position.

And to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone could be definitive on either pose...

I think of it and believe it is a a vertical pose until I see the card positioned horizontally.

Does anyone know of a picture used in the artwork?

[GoldenAge50s]

If nothing else, go by the horizon factor in the known 6. If this card was meant to be a horizontal I believe they would have painted in a horizon! The set was put together w/ plenty of forethought.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I hate to bump an old thread, but I was looking through some T206s, came across Dunn and wondered if this could have been a horizontal? I tried to search first to see if it had ever been discussed and stumbled across this thread.

From Google: When he was nine, a boxcar ran over his left arm while playing at a local railway. He was told by doctors that his arm had to be either amputated or risk death. He declined an amputation, but his arm was left crippled from above the elbow and couldn't lift the arm above his neck.

If the card is to be considered a vertical, his arms are clearly above his neck which would make no sense. Therefore, I'm of the opinion that he is diving for a ball and the card is a horizontal. I know some (maybe most) will disagree, but it is a possibility.

Thoughts?

I know it has been mentioned in other threads about this but I think the picture is diagonal. I believe picture may have been treated the same way the bender from t206themonster.com.




So if you take what we know about the Bender tree picture and apply to how we know Mays did his basket catch you can see that his arms would be more out in front of him and not over his head as they appear on the card.

[MVSNYC]

I do not think the Dunn was designed to be horizontal. if he were diving for the ball, his eyes would be looking higher to spot the ball and his head would be cocked a little higher too. also, as mentioned above, if it were truly meant to be a horizontal card, the artists would have added a horizon line to make it very clear to the viewer that it is in fact a horizontal card...not the case.

I will say this, if viewed vertically, his body angle is a little weird for an overhead catch...BUT, for reasons i listed above, i will still say it is not meant to be a horizontal card.

[Jayworld]

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From Google: When he was nine, a boxcar ran over his left arm while playing at a local railway. He was told by doctors that his arm had to be either amputated or risk death. He declined an amputation, but his arm was left crippled from above the elbow and couldn't lift the arm above his neck.
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From this quote found on google (and available on Wikipedia), it seems to me that the photo that the artist worked from to create this card would have not shown him with his left arm above his neck (as per the vertical card position seems to suggest), as that would have been a physical impossibility for Jack Dunn due to his injury as a boy.

Wow, maybe the first time I've ever weighed in on a T206 topic….

In relation to the thread, I own four of the six agreed upon horizontals. Missing Mullin and Birmingham. At one time, I had a Birmingham acquired from Richard Gelman's Card Collector's Company in the late 1970s. Cost me 50 cents and had a great deal of scorching/fire damage to the edges of the card. In fact, when I removed the card from the mail package, about 1/8" of the right end of the card crumbled…. I later sold the card.

[Bpm0014]

In the simplest terms: Look at the "B" on Dunn's sleeve. Look at the B vertically... Then again horizontally... It makes much more sense that this is a horizontal card.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

Pelty is also a 150 only

Yes thank you. And another beautiful card.

AndyH

[Howe’s Hunter]

the six horizontal cards all have a horizon line in them. Therefore, you know which way to turn it.

[tedzan]

TED Z

[conor912]

Thanks for the scans, Ted. Beautiful.

I think these are my next project. I currently own zero T206s and would like them represented in my collection while keeping the group small and focused. I have always had a thing for horizontal cards in otherwise vertical sets.