Horizontal t206's

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

I find the Dunn to be tricky. It sure feels like a horizontal to me. It seems like he is diving for a ball. I know I have never caught a pop up with the glove opening facing me. Maybe he is pulling an Andruw Jones basket catch?

I would be curious to hear some of the expert opinions on this one.

I hate to bump an old thread, but I was looking through some T206s, came across Dunn and wondered if this could have been a horizontal? I tried to search first to see if it had ever been discussed and stumbled across this thread.

From Google: When he was nine, a boxcar ran over his left arm while playing at a local railway. He was told by doctors that his arm had to be either amputated or risk death. He declined an amputation, but his arm was left crippled from above the elbow and couldn't lift the arm above his neck.

If the card is to be considered a vertical, his arms are clearly above his neck which would make no sense. Therefore, I'm of the opinion that he is diving for a ball and the card is a horizontal. I know some (maybe most) will disagree, but it is a possibility.

Thoughts?

[freakhappy]

I can see how this could sway either way, but every time I look at it, I see a horizontal picture...just doesn't sit well with me from the upright position.

And to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone could be definitive on either pose...

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I can see how this could sway either way, but every time I look at it, I see a horizontal picture...just doesn't sit well with me from the upright position.

And to be honest, I'm not sure how anyone could be definitive on either pose...

I think of it and believe it is a a vertical pose until I see the card positioned horizontally.

Does anyone know of a picture used in the artwork?

[ullmandds]

Now there is a project for someone... Find the original photo used for the dunn
pose... Then it can be put to rest once and for all that this is a vertical card!!

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Now there is a project for someone... Find the original photo used for the dunn
pose... Then it can be put to rest once and for all that this is a vertical card!!

You don't even like 206's...stay out!!!

[GoldenAge50s]

If nothing else, go by the horizon factor in the known 6. If this card was meant to be a horizontal I believe they would have painted in a horizon! The set was put together w/ plenty of forethought.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

If nothing else, go by the horizon factor in the known 6. If this card was meant to be a horizontal I believe they would have painted in a horizon! The set was put together w/ plenty of forethought.

Fred...I saw that post and it does make sense, but can/do we have to assume that is true? There are horizons in a lot of T206's, but there is no horizon on this card telling us that it is supposed to be horizontal or vertical. Either way, I do think the green background fits this card rather nicely...

Edited to add: I don't believe a horizon would compliment this card at all...I think the solid green background was done on purpose even if it is indeed a horizontal pose.

[GoldenAge50s]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Fred...I saw that post and it does make sense, but can/do we have to assume that is true? There are horizons in a lot of T206's, but there is no horizon on this card telling us that it is supposed to be horizontal or vertical. Either way, I do think the green background fits this card rather nicely...

No indeed, we certainly do NOT have to assume that is true! It is just my belief that because the given 6 were so beautifully done w/ horizons to remove all doubt that any other cards MEANT to be horizontal would have had an equally complimentary horizon too!

The set is so beautiful & thoughtfully done that I don't believe the artists would have missed putting a horizon on Dunn! I'm done!

[DerekMichael]

David James,

You just blew my mind ...

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

David James,



You just blew my mind ...

Wow, you're easy!


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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by GoldenAge50s

If this card was meant to be a horizontal I believe they would have painted in a horizon!

Not if he were diving for a ball though. If he were diving for a ball, perhaps all you would see is green grass...just like the green background.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I hate to bump an old thread, but I was looking through some T206s, came across Dunn and wondered if this could have been a horizontal? I tried to search first to see if it had ever been discussed and stumbled across this thread.

From Google: When he was nine, a boxcar ran over his left arm while playing at a local railway. He was told by doctors that his arm had to be either amputated or risk death. He declined an amputation, but his arm was left crippled from above the elbow and couldn't lift the arm above his neck.

If the card is to be considered a vertical, his arms are clearly above his neck which would make no sense. Therefore, I'm of the opinion that he is diving for a ball and the card is a horizontal. I know some (maybe most) will disagree, but it is a possibility.

Thoughts?

I know it has been mentioned in other threads about this but I think the picture is diagonal. I believe picture may have been treated the same way the bender from t206themonster.com.




So if you take what we know about the Bender tree picture and apply to how we know Mays did his basket catch you can see that his arms would be more out in front of him and not over his head as they appear on the card.

[MVSNYC]

I do not think the Dunn was designed to be horizontal. if he were diving for the ball, his eyes would be looking higher to spot the ball and his head would be cocked a little higher too. also, as mentioned above, if it were truly meant to be a horizontal card, the artists would have added a horizon line to make it very clear to the viewer that it is in fact a horizontal card...not the case.

I will say this, if viewed vertically, his body angle is a little weird for an overhead catch...BUT, for reasons i listed above, i will still say it is not meant to be a horizontal card.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I will say this, if viewed vertically, his body angle is a little weird for an overhead catch...BUT, for reasons i listed above, i will still say it is not meant to be a horizontal card.

This strange angle of the body is explained by my hypothosis in my post.

[freakhappy]

Looks like he's diving for a ball. The way his eyes are positioned and the position of his body...in the corner of the card. If he was meant to be vertical, I think it was poorly done.



I can't speak for everyone, but when you first picked up this card, tell me you didn't try to position it horizontally...that was my first reaction and to this day when I see the card, I always want to flip it sideways.



And if this card wasn't already labeled as a vertical pose, would you still hold your current stance...

[ullmandds]

I never...ever thought this card/pose was intended to be a horizontal one...ever! Until the question was raised on here years ago. I appreciate the tenacity...but it's meant to be vertical!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

I can't speak for everyone, but when you first picked up this card, tell me you didn't try to position it horizontally...that was my first reaction and to this day when I see the card, I always want to flip it sideways.

Yeah, me too.

If you look on eBay, there are a few that are displayed horizontally, so we're not the only ones who think so.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Looks like he's diving for a ball. The way his eyes are positioned and the position of his body...in the corner or the card. If he was meant to be vertical, I think it was poorly done.

I can't speak for everyone, but when you first picked up this card, tell me you didn't try to position it horizontally...that was my first reaction and to this day when I see the card, I always want to flip it sideways.

And if this card wasn't already labeled as a vertical pose, would you still hold your current stance...

I'm with you again Mike. I totally agree. I always thought it was a horizontal!

Now I mean, Dunn could be hunched over, maybe? I don't know, but either way. ..

[Jayworld]

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From Google: When he was nine, a boxcar ran over his left arm while playing at a local railway. He was told by doctors that his arm had to be either amputated or risk death. He declined an amputation, but his arm was left crippled from above the elbow and couldn't lift the arm above his neck.
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From this quote found on google (and available on Wikipedia), it seems to me that the photo that the artist worked from to create this card would have not shown him with his left arm above his neck (as per the vertical card position seems to suggest), as that would have been a physical impossibility for Jack Dunn due to his injury as a boy.

Wow, maybe the first time I've ever weighed in on a T206 topic….

In relation to the thread, I own four of the six agreed upon horizontals. Missing Mullin and Birmingham. At one time, I had a Birmingham acquired from Richard Gelman's Card Collector's Company in the late 1970s. Cost me 50 cents and had a great deal of scorching/fire damage to the edges of the card. In fact, when I removed the card from the mail package, about 1/8" of the right end of the card crumbled…. I later sold the card.

[Bpm0014]

In the simplest terms: Look at the "B" on Dunn's sleeve. Look at the B vertically... Then again horizontally... It makes much more sense that this is a horizontal card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I'm still leaning towards it being a horizontal. Had the image been printed like this, it wouldn't even be a discussion...

[freakhappy]

Either way, the card looks much better positioned in the horizontal position. I am not convinced it is supposed to be a vertical card, but I don't see any reason to beat it into the ground without any new evidence...could definitely go either way.

At this point, everything is just speculation...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I'm still leaning towards it being a horizontal. Had the image been printed like this, it wouldn't even be a discussion...

The discussion would be "Why is Dunn the only upside down t206 card?"

[ullmandds]

Too late! Just beat it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2wtC91_0U