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Old 01-28-2013, 08:04 PM
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The most shocking thing I've learned in this thread is that there's a market for 70's-80's cello packs.
Put it in a plastic tomb, throw a number on it and encourage collectors to compete for the best number and it's instant gold.
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:19 PM
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The FBI investigation is over after going through my data on how some stars
shouldn't be on top of certain packs and taking a close look and examining packs that i passed by PSA, the agents agreed that they were pretty bad jobs
in my part and they were surprised they got authenticated and in fact graded
one of the agents went on to say that i proved that Steve Hart
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:26 PM
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Can you disclose which packs were fabricated and did any leave your possession. This will help for those who own unopened PSA star packs. Thanks.
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What about all the packs you sold people-- both online via eBay and in off-eBay transactions?

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Old 05-10-2013, 07:41 PM
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What about all the packs you sold people-- both online via eBay and in off-eBay transactions?
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i sold many graded packs to people (customers) in fact i sold you
a couple of them and when you found out about the FBI investigation
you acted like a scared boy and dump them to someone else, instead
of confronting me and PSA on the matter, as far as you know you sold bad packs to other people.

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Old 05-10-2013, 08:57 PM
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i sold many graded packs to people (customers) in fact i sold you
a couple of them and when you found out about the FBI investigation
you acted like a scared boy and dump them to someone else, instead
of confronting me and PSA on the matter, as far as you know you sold bad packs to other people.
What a great guy..

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Can you disclose which packs were fabricated and did any leave your possession. This will help for those who own unopened PSA star packs. Thanks.
Like i said earlier in the thread all the packs that i personally altered and
got grated are still in my possession and all have clear signs of being
altered, the problem with young collectors is that they have no clue how
to id the real thing and counterfeiters on ebay keep making star packs
with certain stars that never came on top because of the manufacture
pattern and these fake packs keep making it into PSA holders for example
below i have a picture of a Mike Schmidt on top that i made one huge
problem Schmidt never came in the top section only the bottom and that
can be easily proven.






CU members aconite and daveG offered as much as $1250.00 for the pack since it is rare
sure it didn't come from topps if i was a scammer i would have never turn down that much money.

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Old 05-12-2013, 01:37 AM
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Here is one the FBI agent couldn't believe, a PSA 10?
besides the fact that Munson never came on top of a 1979 cello the back seal
has clear sloppy signs of being resealed.







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CU members aconite and daveG offered as much as $1250.00 for the pack since it is rare
sure it didn't come from topps if i was a scammer i would have never turn down that much money.
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When someone keeps telling me how honest they are I reach in my pocket to make sure my wallet is still there.
Rick,,,i'm not here to tell anybody anything about my honesty, i'm here to tell that every counterfeiter of star packs on ebay is getting away
with it because the psa authenticator doesn't have the knowledge to identify those fake packs even know the signs are very clear of being fakes or altered packs, they are getting authenticated and over half of the star packs in the population report are fake and i can prove it given
the chance to do so, all you need to know is the manufacture pattern, is actually pretty simple and it should be common knowledge, i showed the FBI and they got it.

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While this makes great reality TV-like entertainment, I have to say what the heck does 1977 Topps cello packs and 1983 Fleer have to do with Pre-War? Pre-Desert Storm? This is exactly why I collect the old stuff - too many weird-o's mess with the shiny stuff.

If there is such an easy solution to figuring out what is a fake "star pack" or what ever the you call these things, why not post the key on the post-war side and go away or start talking about 1933 Goudey unopened packs.
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:11 PM
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I don't think we can infer from Jose's statement that he still has all the bad packs he graded that he sold other bad packs that didn't grade. That's like interpreting the statement, I have never sold a trimmed card, to be an admission that I sold bleached cards, it's not logical. At least give him the opportunity to answer the question.
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one of the agents went on to say that i proved that Steve Hart is bad at his job and being bad at his job is not a crime.
Are you thinking you should be celebrated?

Also you haven't answered the question about passing along bogus packs into the hobby? Instead you hurl an insult at the person asking the question. I have nothing invested into this other than it sickens me to see fraud and cheating in a hobby I really enjoy. If these responses are all you can add why reignite the thread?
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Actually, Jose, of the two packs I bought from you, I sold both of them LONG BEFORE your activities and the FBI investigation became known, so I could buy an expensive card. And at the time I sold those packs, I was very torn about parting with them because they were among my favorite pieces.

Had I still owned them after this thread became known to me, I would have confronted both you and PSA.

The one time I suspected I had some altered items (trimmed cards in this case), I drove them down to Joe Orlando and PSA, and they reviewed them and bought them back to be destroyed. I didn't sell those cards I suspected were trimmed and instead got perhaps less from PSA because I care about my name in the hobby.

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So lemme see if I have this straight: The fact that the fraud was poorly perpetrated means it wasn't a crime because the TPG should have caught it? Makes perfect sense to me. I'll remember to do a really poor job of it next time I knock over a 7/11.
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To paraphrase Fitzgerald, buying sealed packs is a matter of infinite hope.
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Ella collected sealed packs?
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Ella collected sealed packs?
No, F. Scott did.http://www.ebay.com/itm/T206-Barney-Pelty-Vertical-PSA-4-F-Scott-Fitzgerald-Stamp-on-Reverse-/271202412133?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3f24ec6665

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