dimaggio(?) from leland

[RichardSimon]

Chad - sh-- happens sometimes, even the good auction houses can slip up on occasion. This Joe D was probably the result of a little rush job. I am sure they will make good on it.
FYI - the other three look fine.

[Forever Young]

It amazes me how some people get free passes and are allowed to make mistakes while others are not. Bottom line is, humans make mistakes. I am guessing that some people on here like Leland’s because they do not use psa or jsa rather than if they are the MOST competent auction house or not.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

It amazes me how some people get free passes and are allowed to make mistakes while others are not. Bottom line is, humans make mistakes. I am guessing that some people on here like Leland’s because they do not use psa or jsa rather than if they are the MOST competent auction house or not.

They don't use PSA or JSA for a reason.
The in house people at Lelands are very knowledgeable and do not need outside help.
And Ben, while I am not excusing them, mistakes on a Joe D autograph do not compare to an Ed Dele(sp)hanty $30,000 mistake,, when both PSA and JSA blew the authentication despite the misspelling of his last name.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

They don't use PSA or JSA for a reason.
The in house people at Lelands are very knowledgeable and do not need outside help.

Correct... it costs money.

I am not saying they are without knowledgeable.. I am just saying they make mistakes just like you do Richard. PSA and JSA make mistakes as well but it is my opinion that their coas are superior.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

Correct... it costs money.

I am not saying they are without knowledgeable.. I am just saying they make mistakes just like you do Richard. PSA and JSA make mistakes as well but it is my opinion that their coas are superior.

We are all entitled to our opinion. Even you and I Ben.
And I think you are sadly mistaken if you think Lelands does not use PSA or JSA because it costs them money. The procedures on Lelands have been discussed here before and NOBODY has ever accused them of that. You are really reaching Ben to accuse them of that.
Many on this forum agree with me and many agree with you in regards to the TPA's.
That has been argued here over and over but I would be willing to bet that neither Lelands nor I would never have authenticated two George W. Bush letters that were auto-penned when they had both letters in front of them.
I am also willing to bet that neither Lelands nor I would have authenticated those Rocky Marciano gloves that were talked about here in a prior thread.
And if you have a problem with a Lelands autograph I think it is relatively easy to get Mike Heffner on the phone. Try that with PSA or JSA. When your authenticators are in witness protection it is difficult to get any contact with them.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

We are all entitled to our opinion. Even you and I Ben.
And I think you are sadly mistaken if you think Lelands does not use PSA or JSA because it costs them money. The procedures on Lelands have been discussed here before and NOBODY has ever accused them of that. You are really reaching Ben to accuse them of that.
Many on this forum agree with me and many agree with you in regards to the TPA's.
That has been argued here over and over but I would be willing to bet that neither Lelands nor I would never have authenticated two George W. Bush letters that were auto-penned when they had both letters in front of them.
I am also willing to bet that neither Lelands nor I would have authenticated those Rocky Marciano gloves that were talked about here in a prior thread.
And if you have a problem with a Lelands autograph I think it is relatively easy to get Mike Heffner on the phone. Try that with PSA or JSA. When your authenticators are in witness protection it is difficult to get any contact with them.

What am I accusing them of exactly?? Being human?? Not wanting to spend moremoney than they think they should have to?? Again.. being human?? I am not accusing Lelands of anything.
I am, however, accusing you of putting words in my mouth. My comment was directed to you(and others like you). with personal, self serving agendas against the TPAs. After all, you are "an expert" and also sell opinions and make mistakes too. You are human.

[chaddurbin]

imo the guys here have been fairly objective in who they think is good, and who's bad.

mike @ lelands did get back to me, apologized and said the sig is bad and to send it back to them for a refund...which is more than you can say about other auction houses who might hide behind a JSA or PSA/DNA cert and stick it to you. also see where it gets you when you bring the bad sig back to JSA or PSA/DNA.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

What am I accusing them of exactly?? Being human?? Not wanting to spend moremoney than they think they should have to?? Again.. being human?? I am not accusing Lelands of anything.
I am, however, accusing you of putting words in my mouth. My comment was directed to you(and others like you). with personal, self serving agendas against the TPAs. After all, you are "an expert" and also sell opinions and make mistakes too. You are human.

You are one fun guy Ben.
What is my self serving agenda?
Selling my opinion is such a small part of my overall business.
My total advertising expenditure for selling my own opinion is $0.00. I have one page on my website describing my authentication services and multiple pages offering items for sale.
But getting into pissing matches with you never serves any purpose.
So why bother?