dimaggio(?) from leland

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

We are all entitled to our opinion. Even you and I Ben.
And I think you are sadly mistaken if you think Lelands does not use PSA or JSA because it costs them money. The procedures on Lelands have been discussed here before and NOBODY has ever accused them of that. You are really reaching Ben to accuse them of that.
Many on this forum agree with me and many agree with you in regards to the TPA's.
That has been argued here over and over but I would be willing to bet that neither Lelands nor I would never have authenticated two George W. Bush letters that were auto-penned when they had both letters in front of them.
I am also willing to bet that neither Lelands nor I would have authenticated those Rocky Marciano gloves that were talked about here in a prior thread.
And if you have a problem with a Lelands autograph I think it is relatively easy to get Mike Heffner on the phone. Try that with PSA or JSA. When your authenticators are in witness protection it is difficult to get any contact with them.

What am I accusing them of exactly?? Being human?? Not wanting to spend moremoney than they think they should have to?? Again.. being human?? I am not accusing Lelands of anything.
I am, however, accusing you of putting words in my mouth. My comment was directed to you(and others like you). with personal, self serving agendas against the TPAs. After all, you are "an expert" and also sell opinions and make mistakes too. You are human.

[chaddurbin]

imo the guys here have been fairly objective in who they think is good, and who's bad.

mike @ lelands did get back to me, apologized and said the sig is bad and to send it back to them for a refund...which is more than you can say about other auction houses who might hide behind a JSA or PSA/DNA cert and stick it to you. also see where it gets you when you bring the bad sig back to JSA or PSA/DNA.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

imo the guys here have been fairly objective in who they think is good, and who's bad.

mike @ lelands did get back to me, apologized and said the sig is bad and to send it back to them for a refund...which is more than you can say about other auction houses who might hide behind a JSA or PSA/DNA cert and stick it to you. also see where it gets you when you bring the bad sig back to JSA or PSA/DNA.

That is great to hear. I have heard of situations where both psa and jsa have made things right too though.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

That is great to hear. I have heard of situations where both psa and jsa have made things right too though.

Any specific ones you recall Ben?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

That is great to hear. I have heard of situations where both psa and jsa have made things right too though.

Ben, I was reading this thread and trying to figure out how it turned into another thread about PSA. If you are going to take a thread about PSA and try to use it to make them sound better than Lelands, then you must expect some rebuttals. I think both PSA and Lelands have authenticated enough autographs that we have plenty of evidence for our opinions, just as you do.

I applaud Lelands for not using PSA, not because I hate PSA, but rather because I have more faith in Lelands. I think that you are correct that it is about money - everything is when it comes to business like this. It makes sense that if authenticators cause trouble for your customers through their mistakes, to at least consider getting the expertise in your own house. The benefits go beyond simply removing the cost of paying for authentication - for one thing, it's easier to clean up your own messes, especially if there are fewer of them.

I'm sure you are also correct that there are 'some' people who have had enough bad experiences with PSA that they have looked at auction houses such as Lelands that make their own autograph assessments. If Lelands screws up enough, that could change, but I think their attitude about returns is such that they are safe.

[Runscott]

Also, (in my opinion) if an auction house does NOT have the internal expertise to authenticate photos and autographs, then they SHOULD use a service such as PSA. I've seen auction descriptions where the auction house made an assertion about an un-slabbed item, such as "this is a type 1" that were total BS.

[RichardSimon]

Scott is right Ben. You were the one who tried to turn the OP's story into a "let us talk about PSA and JSA."
Nobody mentioned PSA in this thread until you brought it up.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Scott is right Ben. You were the one who tried to turn the OP's story into a "let us talk about PSA and JSA."
Nobody mentioned PSA in this thread until you brought it up.

Runscott makes some good points. Richard, again.. Words in my mouth. I never said I didn't first mention psa. Also.. Are you kidding me?!?! Richard Simon never brings up other tpas abcs, tombs ect first in threads.... What a joke. Also.. Charging for your Coa might not be a huge part of your business (because most want jsa or psa right or wrong) but you selling items without a psa or jsa cert is a huge part( you include your cert). Right? You therefore don't spend money on one right? Gosh I thought we were done with this as you were not going to bother....uhhhg.

[JimStinson]

Its probably pretty easy to explain, Its a group lot someone looks at it and says "Hey be sure to mention in the description that the DiMaggio is a proxy" So the person writing the description says "OK" and then gets back to her desk and says to herself "What is a proxy ?".

The description gets written the word is omited and the lot is sold. Probably the least important item in the lot gets overlooked. The rest were good. Innocent mistake

I had almost the exact same thing happen to me this morning , when having the lady who helps me with listings is handed a George "Rube" Foster (Red sox) autograph to list , she looks Rube Foster up on line and lists the autograph as RUBE FOSTER the Negro League Hall of Famer. Big difference between a $25.00 Bo-Sox player and a near impossible HOFer worth many thousands of dollars , I caught it & corrected it before it was listed. Now if it HAD been listed in error. Would that have reflected badly on me ? yes , would it have represented an intent to be deceptive ? I hope not.
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[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

imo the guys here have been fairly objective in who they think is good, and who's bad.

mike @ lelands did get back to me, apologized and said the sig is bad and to send it back to them for a refund...which is more than you can say about other auction houses who might hide behind a JSA or PSA/DNA cert and stick it to you. also see where it gets you when you bring the bad sig back to JSA or PSA/DNA.

I was sure Lelands would do that.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

What am I accusing them of exactly?? Being human?? Not wanting to spend moremoney than they think they should have to?? Again.. being human?? I am not accusing Lelands of anything.
I am, however, accusing you of putting words in my mouth. My comment was directed to you(and others like you). with personal, self serving agendas against the TPAs. After all, you are "an expert" and also sell opinions and make mistakes too. You are human.

You are one fun guy Ben.
What is my self serving agenda?
Selling my opinion is such a small part of my overall business.
My total advertising expenditure for selling my own opinion is $0.00. I have one page on my website describing my authentication services and multiple pages offering items for sale.
But getting into pissing matches with you never serves any purpose.
So why bother?