Just another Mantle auto question .....

[thetruthisoutthere]

Yikes!!!!

The photo is the usual crap that's been coming out of Florida for the past few years.

That crap usually has a COA from MFP Reborn, MFP Reborn II, Myst-O-Graph, YMC Sports, CSC Collectibles, My Favorite Players, Chris Morales, Nicholas Burczyk and others.

The "Mantle" on that baseball is a typical "Mantle" forgery.

[sdkammeyer]

Thanks for the input ..... I am not an auto collector, nor do I know squat about autos.
These are being sold at one of the many consignment auctions that seem to be popping up everywhere around me nowadays.
The only reason I ask is because "supposedly" these are being consigned by the family of a collector who passed away and there are a TON of autos in the auction. Many of which would have next to no value and wouldnt be worth faking in the first place ....... so I figured I would ask since I plan to head over to the auction for some other stuff anyways.


This is really the only other auto in the entire lot that may have any value at all:

[bender07]

Why don't novice collectors only buy from reputable dealers for these commonly forged autographs (Ted, Mickey and Joe D)? Is greed that much of a driver? I probably just answered my own question

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by bender07

Why don't novice collectors only buy from reputable dealers for these commonly forged autographs (Ted, Mickey and Joe D)? Is greed that much of a driver? I probably just answered my own question

I agree 100% ..... and if I was a collector I would be doing just that ..... but as stated..... I am not an auto collector.

Greed has nothing to do with it in my case. I just figured that if it was a legit signature, and I could get it at a reasonable price, and somebody here on the forum wanted it, since I am going to the auction anyways, I would pick it up.

Thanks for your authentication professionalism

[bender07]

Oh sorry, you didn't mention that you were looking to provide this service to the board in the OP.

All you have to do is look at the front page of this forum and you'll see at least 5 Mantle authentication requests. Not the most thrilling topic of discussion.

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by bender07

Oh sorry, you didn't mention that you were looking to provide this service to the board in the OP.

Completely understand. I didn't want to offer it before I knew it was legit.
And I didn't want to come off as some "ignorant broker" either.
So I just figured that if a couple people chimed in and said "it looks good to me" I would kindly offer to pick it up for someone if the selling price meets their criteria ..... since the auction it is coming from is not an online auction and I plan to attend.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

Thanks for the input ..... I am not an auto collector, nor do I know squat about autos.
These are being sold at one of the many consignment auctions that seem to be popping up everywhere around me nowadays.
The only reason I ask is because "supposedly" these are being consigned by the family of a collector who passed away and there are a TON of autos in the auction. Many of which would have next to no value and wouldnt be worth faking in the first place ....... so I figured I would ask since I plan to head over to the auction for some other stuff anyways.


This is really the only other auto in the entire lot that may have any value at all:

"Consignment Auctions" is the new outlet for forgeries, especially the ones coming out of Florida.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

The only reason I ask is because "supposedly" these are being consigned by the family of a collector who passed away and there are a TON of autos in the auction. Many of which would have next to no value and wouldnt be worth faking in the first place .......

It's astounding how many of these freshly produced, ink jet fakes are coming from "estates" these days. Just how many 70- and 80-year-olds are buying these on ebay just to die a few months later?

My guess is the local auctions are salting real estate lots with these fakes.

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

It's astounding how many of these freshly produced, ink jet fakes are coming from "estates" these days. Just how many 70- and 80-year-olds are buying these on ebay just to die a few months later?

My guess is the local auctions are salting real estate lots with these fakes.

I completely agree. I'm into cards, not autos ..... and I see SO often the same story....... "grandpa died and we are selling off his collection" .... and it will be a bunch of factory sealed 1980's topps/fleer sets and 2 trimmed prewar cards

And really ..... the ONLY reason I even brought the mantle pic over here to let you guys see it/offer it to you is because they pepper these auctions with things like this book that seem to have a bit of provenance ...... and again, I AM NOT A COLLECTOR ..... but here is a book from a negro league "party" or whatever .... with an invitation to the party, a book signed by the author.... and then signed by negro leaguers as well ....

All supposedly coming from the same consigner.

[dgo71]

Trouppe was always highly underrated in my opinion. Does that look legit? I don't recall Stearns' auto and have never seen Trouppe.

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by dgo71

Does that look legit?

I hope you aren't asking me I have zero knowledge.

I just deduced that since the invitation says 1979, the ernie banks signature says 1979, the party was for clint thomas, and clint thomas also signed the book ...... that things seemed to add up.

[Wymers Auction]

I wish there were more bidders like Steve who asked questions first before purchasing forgeries. If more had practiced what he just did the forger's bellies would not be near as full.

[dgo71]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

I hope you aren't asking me I have zero knowledge.

I just deduced that since the invitation says 1979, the ernie banks signature says 1979, the party was for clint thomas, and clint thomas also signed the book ...... that things seemed to add up.

No, I saw where you stated several times you don't collect autographs, so I was asking the other members who have more auto related knowledge. But I agree with you, it seemed like everything added up on the item. Do you know what the starting bid is for that item?