Just another Mantle auto question .....

Mr. Zipper · #1 12-30-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

The only reason I ask is because "supposedly" these are being consigned by the family of a collector who passed away and there are a TON of autos in the auction. Many of which would have next to no value and wouldnt be worth faking in the first place .......

It's astounding how many of these freshly produced, ink jet fakes are coming from "estates" these days. Just how many 70- and 80-year-olds are buying these on ebay just to die a few months later?

My guess is the local auctions are salting real estate lots with these fakes.

sdkammeyer · #2 12-30-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

It's astounding how many of these freshly produced, ink jet fakes are coming from "estates" these days. Just how many 70- and 80-year-olds are buying these on ebay just to die a few months later?

My guess is the local auctions are salting real estate lots with these fakes.

I completely agree. I'm into cards, not autos ..... and I see SO often the same story....... "grandpa died and we are selling off his collection" .... and it will be a bunch of factory sealed 1980's topps/fleer sets and 2 trimmed prewar cards

And really ..... the ONLY reason I even brought the mantle pic over here to let you guys see it/offer it to you is because they pepper these auctions with things like this book that seem to have a bit of provenance ...... and again, I AM NOT A COLLECTOR ..... but here is a book from a negro league "party" or whatever .... with an invitation to the party, a book signed by the author.... and then signed by negro leaguers as well ....

All supposedly coming from the same consigner.

dgo71 · #3 12-30-2012, 02:51 PM

Trouppe was always highly underrated in my opinion. Does that look legit? I don't recall Stearns' auto and have never seen Trouppe.

sdkammeyer · #4 12-30-2012, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

Does that look legit?

I hope you aren't asking me

I have zero knowledge.

I just deduced that since the invitation says 1979, the ernie banks signature says 1979, the party was for clint thomas, and clint thomas also signed the book ...... that things seemed to add up.

Wymers Auction · #5 12-30-2012, 04:45 PM

I wish there were more bidders like Steve who asked questions first before purchasing forgeries. If more had practiced what he just did the forger's bellies would not be near as full.

dgo71 · #6 12-30-2012, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

I hope you aren't asking me

I have zero knowledge.

I just deduced that since the invitation says 1979, the ernie banks signature says 1979, the party was for clint thomas, and clint thomas also signed the book ...... that things seemed to add up.

No, I saw where you stated several times you don't collect autographs, so I was asking the other members who have more auto related knowledge. But I agree with you, it seemed like everything added up on the item. Do you know what the starting bid is for that item?

sdkammeyer · #7 12-31-2012, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

Do you know what the starting bid is for that item?

I have no clue. It is being offered at a new little auction house about an hour away from me. I have never been there before so I don't know what their normal procedures are.

JimStinson · #8 12-31-2012, 08:05 AM

The Trouppe looks OK, but what would concern me is that the only autograph in the book with any real value would be that of Turkey Stearnes and since the invitation is dated July 3rd 1979 in Kentucky and he died almost 2 months later to the day in Detroit. Did he actually make the trip ? Also items I've seen signed even several years prior look pretty shaky, the one in the book looks smooth as silk. Since its billed as the first Negro League reunion I'd guess Banks would remember it. Maybe someone should ask him
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