PSA/DNA and boxing just don't mix.

[Plinvestments]

These emr's must be compensated well or why would they do it. Its greed all around.

[travrosty]

everything is all about the cash. if it was about the autographs, these autographs would be taken down.

[toybulldog]

Blow taps for another unsuspecting buyer. It's about protecting an image by turning ones head the other way, a double standard. Reminds me of a certain college football program which chose a similar path recently, but this is only autographs. Ebay was forwarded the information well in advance of the auction close. This is what is going on in our hobby people, FBI, Bureau of Consumer Protection take note. Press for answers.

[travrosty]

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[travrosty]

a non certified mickey mantle that they dont like is off ebay in 30 minutes? "poof" they say, its gone. they arent sending exemplars with their emails, just "here is a bad one"


i let them know two days ago and this bonavena sold, and there are multiple exemplars. it just happen to have a favored cert with it, that was totally a coincidence i suppose.

meanwhile wife signed sonny liston with the cert is still up there also and that was over a week ago they were notified. where's the "poof"?

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

These emr's must be compensated well or why would they do it. Its greed all around.

EMRs are volunteers who can report items within their area of expertise. They are paid nothing.

But please... Let's continue to pound on volunteers who spend hours of their personal time removing thousands of fakes from eBay every week. They should all be condemned because this item didn't get removed for whatever reason.

[travrosty]

its not "whatever reason", it is because it is a protected psa certed item, and we all know it.

you are defending the status quo, and the status quo stinks.

start volunteering to pull a bad psa or jsa item. it won't happen though.

the last couple of days there is nothing anyone could do to get this one pulled. it's not just "whatever", like it was some glitch. it wasn't a glitch.

it was on purpose, emr's didnt want to report it, and the rest of us who did report it. WITH PROOF, watched it go to sale for a quarter of a grand, because ebay isn't interested in pulling items that have a protected cert from one of their buddies.

its the buddy-buddy system that has been plaguing the hobby for years, and continues because people just chalk it up to "whatever reason" that's code word for PSA and JSA certs get special treatment. The family and friends program.

I had an emr specifically ask me for the boxing fakes so he can report them and help get them off ebay, until i reported psa and jsa items, then he wasn't interested, said he didn't have time, couldn't take 10 seconds to forward my email to ebay, and this had proof with exemplars. So don't make it some type of glitch. I also sent him the bad Sonny Liston PSA signed photo, it's still up too.

why don't you have a problem with this unfair protectionism? Don't you want it fair and ALL fakes taken off ebay? There is a fake joe louis with jsa and its been there a year and we can't get it down by reporting it.

[Mr. Zipper]

I typically ignore you simply because you have proven time and time again to be someone beyond reasoning and frankly not worth my time. But I stepped forward this time to defend the good work EMRs do because I couldn't sit back and watch you spread your warped misinformation about a program and people you know little about.

How do you know this was not reported by an EMR? Perhaps it was. An EMR report does not mean an item will be unquestionably removed.

I don't know eBay policy regarding their approved authenticators. But if eBay policy is to not remove items certed by their approved authenticators, your problem is with that policy, not the EMRs who may very well be reporting it.

Of course, next you'll propose that EMRs should all quit because the system is not perfect. In your world, quitting and letting thousands of fakes pass is the right thing to do to prove a point.

This thread is the perfect example why EMR identities are kept confidential. Why would people who volunteer hours of their time and freely offer their expertise want to deal with cretinous attacks from unbalanced misanthropes?

[travrosty]

thanks for the compliment, i know these "authenticated" listings weren't reported by an emr because an emr asked me for the listings, i gave it to him, and then he told me he didnt report it, OK?

lets catch 1000's of fakes, but let the psa and jsa fakes get a pass. sounds like a plan to me. some fakes are more equal than others. if a restaurant didn't admit some people because of affiliation, would you walk right in, or demand they serve everyone fairly and equally? You could make the argument that some people still get to eat, and that's better than none, why waste all that food just because a few are turned away unfairly.

i stand on principle. they shouldn't help ebay if ebay isnt going to do the right thing and pull ALL fakes. Why are you defending some of the fakes? because they have psa and jsa certs? if they had GA and ACE certs, would you think it was okay if they were the protected ones? I think not.

i know of 7 people who are emr's. some are psa and jsa defenders like you, who authenticates for jsa.

from one unbalanced misanthrope to another, let's not pretend you didn't have the same opinion I do about the whole authentication shell game. from Baron's "Kinda Sorta Genuine."

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THE RECENT ARTICLES IN THE TWO collectors' magazines have only added to the questions about the company. The bi-monthly Pen and Quill, put out by the oldest autograph collectors' club in the world, has published what amounts to a five-page indictment of PSA/DNA's authentication process, entitled "Who's Watching the Watchmen." "It has become apparent that PSA/DNA has some weakness in authenticating autographs outside the sports field -- as well as some glaring oversights from within the sports area," writes author Steve Zarelli, a member of the collectors club. "It's not uncommon to see a PSA/DNA [expert] 'authenticating' an autograph that is certainly not authentic." The Bottom Line: The stock, which has fallen 26% from its 52-week high, could drop another 25% amid questions of credibility, the loss of a big coin customer and high costs in a diamond business.Zarelli told of a collector who successfully bid for a game-used bat belonging to Ernie Banks, complete with a certificate of authentication from PSA/DNA. "What autograph?" Zarelli writes, "The bat isn't signed by anyone." Similarly, a "signed" Mark McGwire baseball card, authenticated and graded by PSA/DNA, turned out to be a rubber-stamped signature rather than hand-written, he writes.


OOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by travrosty

thanks for the compliment, i know it wasnt reported by an emr because an emr asked me for the listing, i gave it to them, and then they told me they didnt report it, OK?

There are many EMRs. Because the one you sent it to didn't report it doesn't mean none of the others did. What are you failing to grasp?

My participation in this thread was to defend the EMRs -- volunteers who you have sickeningly attacked and smeared. People who donate their time and expertise to take more forgeries out of circulation in one week then you will in your lifetime.

You keep dredging up an article I wrote over 7 years ago. Yes, I was critical of PSA then. They are not perfect now and obviously have areas in need of improvement. But I don't choose to bash them publicly ad nauseum. I don't see them as the biggest problem in the hobby. By the way, I have provided feedback to them and guess what? They were willing to listen. Decency and professionalism get results.

Perhaps you should look at modifying your tactics. The turd-in-the-punch-bowl approach ain't working.

[travrosty]

they certain do not listen, we all know that. I didn't put the turd in the punchbowl, i am just letting people know it is there and not to drink. you are taking a big drink and saying it is delightful.

I am not smearing emr's. Since they are anonymous, they can't be smeared. I am just saying they should stand up for what is right and not help ebay unless ebay wants to pull ALL the fakes.



1. How many psa and jsa fakes have you ever reported to ebay?

2. How many of those did they pull?

3. give me examples of how psa listened and how they took your concerns and made a change for the better?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

There are many EMRs. Because the one you sent it to didn't report it doesn't mean none of the others did. What are you failing to grasp?

My participation in this thread was to defend the EMRs -- volunteers who you have sickeningly attacked and smeared. People who donate their time and expertise to take more forgeries out of circulation in one week then you will in your lifetime.

You keep dredging up an article I wrote over 7 years ago. Yes, I was critical of PSA then. They are not perfect now and obviously have areas in need of improvement. But I don't choose to bash them publicly ad nauseum. I don't see them as the biggest problem in the hobby. By the way, I have provided feedback to them and guess what? They were willing to listen. Decency and professionalism get results.

Perhaps you should look at modifying your tactics. The turd-in-the-punch-bowl approach ain't working.

+100 Thanks Steve. Right on the money.

[Big Dave]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I don't know eBay policy regarding their approved authenticators. But if eBay policy is to not remove items certed by their approved authenticators,

GAI is / was on their approved authenticator list, yet they have no problem pulling those, fake or not.