PSA/DNA and boxing just don't mix.

[Plinvestments]

Originally Posted by travrosty

its an inside process, you have to know someone and get in that way.

Got it, so its not based on experience or skill.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Plinvestments

Got it, so its not based on experience or skill.

that's right, its not based on any particular experience or skill, it's based on contacts and who you know.

emr's are reluctant to report authentication companies items as well, its a fault on two fronts.

i have let an emr know of these items and he says he doesnt have time to report them, of course these are items with a large company cert. he doesnt have 5 minutes evidently to send an email along with the proof on these pages. that's what we are all up against. fakes are fakes. certed by these companies or not.

but we have to pull teeth to get a lot of places to pull an item that has an authentication company cert. the reasoning is that the auction houses don't want to erode consumer confidence in the authentication company. if the public sees these certed items being pulled for authenticity reasons, then the public will wonder if these companies are doing a good job and if it is worth it to send the items in.

then the relationship between the auction house and the authentication companies are now strained because the auction house pulled their cert, and these companies are suppose to be pre-approved authenticators and their certs the so called gold standard.

[travrosty]

if they are reluctant to pull these certed items, then why do the emr's put up with it? i wouldnt want to be one if there are double standards, they can figure out their own fakes if they are playing favorites. just another conflict of interest in the autograph hobby. if there wasn't enough already.

all emr's should quit unless they play fair and remove ALL the fakes, not just the fakes that aren't their buddies fakes.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

if they are reluctant to pull these certed items, then why do the emr's put up with it? i wouldnt want to be one if there are double standards, they can figure out their own fakes if they are playing favorites. just another conflict of interest in the autograph hobby. if there wasn't enough already.

all emr's should quit unless they play fair and remove ALL the fakes, not just the fakes that aren't their buddies fakes.

agreed and sickening. Glad I'm not collecting Boxing.

[D. Bergin]

I wonder what the story is behind the contract. Was it a second party that signed for Bonavena? The Teddy Brenner sig certainly looks good.

[travrosty]

i would like to know too. i have seen kearns sign for dempsey so contracts not necessarily iron clad just because they are contracts.

[toybulldog]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i would like to know too. i have seen kearns sign for dempsey so contracts not necessarily iron clad just because they are contracts.

As is the case with this 1949 alleged Joe Louis signed contract. Louis' signature is in the hand of his manager Marshall miles but is "authenticated" by guess who?





Here are some authentic Joe Louis signatures from 1949 along with the year prior and the year after. Did Joe Louis' signature change on this one particular day in 1949 so it could be authentic for one of PSA's loyal customers or for one of PSA's auction houses that promotes their services?



Pathetic, inept, fraud, all of the above?

[travrosty]

let me guess, steve grad , psa again?

the joe louis experts for sure.