O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

[dabigyankeeman]

My wife was a teacher then a little higher up in the school system for 37 years, and I am really glad she is now retired.

As to my feelings on guns:

You cant have a total ban on guns, but to me nobody needs an automatic anything. Guns for the public should be limited to 6-shots non-automatic. Maybe that would give some people time to escape while maniacs are trying to shoot them, if the maniacs dont have a ton of guns on them, they will have to keep reloading, and reloading should have to be one bullet at a time, not a clip. The guns we have a constitutional right to have was because back in those days you needed a civilian militia plus most people had to hunt for foods. Those are basically not valid reasons anymore except for the few who hunt for food. I also think that the founding fathers wouldnt want the whole population to have the incredible weapons we have developed. So have your guns, but have a 6-shooter that has to loaded one bullet at a time.

[bbcarddan]

Originally Posted by dabigyankeeman

My wife was a teacher then a little higher up in the school system for 37 years, and I am really glad she is now retired.

As to my feelings on guns:

You cant have a total ban on guns, but to me nobody needs an automatic anything. Guns for the public should be limited to 6-shots non-automatic. Maybe that would give some people time to escape while maniacs are trying to shoot them, if the maniacs dont have a ton of guns on them, they will have to keep reloading, and reloading should have to be one bullet at a time, not a clip. The guns we have a constitutional right to have was because back in those days you needed a civilian militia plus most people had to hunt for foods. Those are basically not valid reasons anymore except for the few who hunt for food. I also think that the founding fathers wouldnt want the whole population to have the incredible weapons we have developed. So have your guns, but have a 6-shooter that has to loaded one bullet at a time.

I share your feelings on this but they are not realistic. How do you remove all the guns out there already that do not fit your 6 shot limit? Maybe we should make all guns fire gumdrops? Thats not gonna happen either.
We really need to focus on keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable individuals when the courts identify someone as unstable or violent any weopons they have registered need to be taken away! Gun owners need to stay proactive and keep guns and ammo under separate lock and key,if you can`t load it you can`t shoot it.
Gun owners need to ask themselves how would they feel if one of their guns were used and someone was killed with it! Take a look at how you keep your collections stored and see if security needs improving.We read about it all the time, a child plays with a gun shoots a friend or sibling,a stolen gun kills an innocent person ect ect ect there are too many different scenarios to list. I wouldnt want it on my conscience that I could have done something more to make sure my gun collection was as safe as it could be.

As most responsible gun owners know already gun education and safety with your children is very important as well!

[calvindog]

For the most part everyone's ideas on how to solve the gun problem is based on personal feelings about what they believe is right. Unfortunately, this is not how the process works. And sometimes it helps to be objective and imagine what the other side on the issue is thinking.

Politics play a big part in this which is obviously a shame. President Obama never made gun control an issue during his first term because he was terrified of losing votes because of it; now that he's a lame duck I suspect this will change. It's sad that politics have such a huge impact on what is right and wrong on issues such as this -- the safety of our children; however, BHO is hardly the first president to be influenced by political concerns and I can't rightly blame him solely because of that. On the flip side, the Republicans are beholden to the NRA (and, of course, more non-NRA gun owners are Republicans as well) and God forbid the issue of gun control is even discussed for fear of losing votes or having that lobby after you.

No matter what is said on this or any other chat board, guns are not going away as they have in parts of Europe and Asia. Our country was built on guns -- they're not going away. However, I don't think it's so crazy for both sides to get together and recognize that there is a problem in this country with guns and the maniacs who are getting access to them and that something should be done. Getting rid of assault rifles is the usual first idea but assault rifles were not to blame in yesterday's massacre in CT. I still have yet to hear a cogent explanation on why such guns are permitted to be sold to private citizens but, again, making them unavailable to the average American will not end the recent spate of shootings. Until both sides of the issue sit down and discuss the matter honestly, without politics being in play, nothing will ever truly get accomplished.

Of course, more people are killed each year due to obesity and we're not clamoring for the removal of fast food chains from the landscape.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Jeff, assault rifles are very useful in hunting wild boar, your response is typical of an elitist New Yorker.

[bigwinnerx]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Jeff, assault rifles are very useful in hunting wild boar, your response is typical of an elitist New Yorker.

Think this proves the answer is banning hunting of wild boar. No assault rifles needed then. Problem solved.

[Texxxx]

Originally Posted by bigwinnerx

Think this proves the answer is banning hunting of wild boar. No assault rifles needed then. Problem solved.

What most people here don't realize is that wild hogs have become a huge problem in the south. They have caused more damage than Sandy did. Money speaking. The problem is so large that states don't even require hunting license to shoot them. You can actually kill them anyway you want to. Day or night. The prefered gun of choice is a AR because of the mods you can put on them. Nightvision,lazer pointers,etc. People also prefer the AR for the high number of rounds in the clips. More rounds more dead hogs. The hogs run in packs so killing as many as you can before they run off is the object.

[Ladder7]

wild hogs, really? Ban the nutjobs, not guns

[Matthew H]

Absolutely Steve, I'm with you. They should ban mass murder.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Ladder7

wild hogs, really? Ban the nutjobs, not guns

The courts actually take such an approach. The prosecutor, judge, etc., quite often speaks to the mentally ill person as if they are understanding everything as you or I would, then basically tells them to start acting normal.

"Oh, okay - now it all seems so simple", the mentally ill person (I'm sorry - I meant to say "the nut job") responds, and he begins behaving 'normal' and everyone is happy. If he doesn't, you simply punish him until he realizes that he's "a nut job". Only one problem with all of this: mental illness affects insight. The old saying that if you think you're crazy, you must not be, is completely true...and vice versa, if you are certain you are NOT crazy, you might be.

But carry on. 'Insight' is something the 'normal' people also are lacking.

[Matthew H]

Great post Jeff.

[drc]

My only comment is I think the NRA is like the press (yes, I'm comparing the two) in that they put their emphasis on their rights over their responsibilities. And responsibilities go beyond what is covered by law.

[dabigyankeeman]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Of course, more people are killed each year due to obesity and we're not clamoring for the removal of fast food chains from the landscape.

That idiot (who i used to like) Mayor Bloomberg of New York has decreed no soda's over 16-oz in restaurants and other similar places. However you can still buy 5 large pizzas and eat them all in one sitting. What a jerk.

[bigwinnerx]

Garry Shandling: "Why doesn't the NRA get behind allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon? Because, nuclear weapons don't kill people. People kill people."

[Texxxx]

Oh to hell with the Constitution, lets just burn the piece of shit!

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Texxxx

Oh to hell with the Constitution, lets just burn the piece of shit!

IF that ever happened, we the people would have less rights then.

[bigwinnerx]

There's precedence to amending it, sir.