O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

[jb217676]

"There were 310 million nonmilitary firearms in the United States as of 2009, according to federal figures"

This figure sure stood out to me when I was surfing around the net today. With that many firearms out there, no wonder these horrific events occur. In my opinion, all guns should be banned. Police or military I can understand the need, but I never could understand why regular citizens need them, or are allowed to acquire them. I don't need one, and never will. Ban hunting too. Should have been banned when grocery stores were invented.

Prayers go out to all of the families affected by this, I have a little one in kindergarten too.

[Gecklund311]

Originally Posted by jb217676

This figure sure stood out to me when I was surfing around the net today. With that many firearms out there, no wonder these horrific events occur. In my opinion, all guns should be banned. Police or military I can understand the need, but I never could understand why regular citizens need them, or are allowed to acquire them. I don't need one, and never will. Ban hunting too. Should have been banned when grocery stores were invented.

That is so naive as to be childlike. Let us assume that you get your wish and guns are "banned" - what do you do with the ones already out there? Would you go door to door and round up the guns of those who have lawfully registered? That would be a wonderful way to instantly create an armed criminal class that is in possession of the many unregistered guns floating around the streets.

I do share your antipathy for hunting, but do not share your wish to ban it simply because you dislike it. Frankly, I find that kind of attitude disturbing at best - simply because you "feel" something is bad is not a legitimate reason to call for the imposition of your will on every other person in the country.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by Gecklund311

That is so naive as to be childlike. Let us assume that you get your wish and guns are "banned" - what do you do with the ones already out there? Would you go door to door and round up the guns of those who have lawfully registered? That would be a wonderful way to instantly create an armed criminal class that is in possession of the many unregistered guns floating around the streets.

I do share your antipathy for hunting, but do not share your wish to ban it simply because you dislike it. Frankly, I find that kind of attitude disturbing at best - simply because you "feel" something is bad is not a legitimate reason to call for the imposition of your will on every other person in the country.

Your answer?

[Gecklund311]

What specifically would you like my answer to?

[Kenny Cole]

Oh, you know, how to fix that ugly massacre problem that seems to pop up now and then, what to do about big clips that haven't yet been sold, but will be, how to make sure that semi-automatic rifles (which can actually be made automatic in about 5 minutes with a paperclip) are used only when the bear you dont hit good the first time (from your armchair) or the boar with big tusks is coming at you, stuff like that.

You seem to have a real good idea about what won't work, so I'm just curious to know what the fix is. On this issue, I'm just like a dry sponge waiting to be drenched with your knowledge. Please enlighten me. Thank you in advance.

[Gecklund311]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Oh, you know, how to fix that ugly massacre problem that seems to pop up now and then, what to do about big clips that haven't yet been sold, but will be, how to make sure that semi-automatic rifles (which can actually be made automatic in about 5 minutes with a paperclip) are used only when the bear you dont hit good the first time (from your armchair) or the boar with big tusks is coming at you, stuff like that.

You seem to have a real good idea about what won't work, so I'm just curious to know what the fix is. On this issue, I'm just like a dry sponge waiting to be drenched with your knowledge. Please enlighten me. Thank you in advance.

So dismissing the "Ban all guns!" opinion (which, given the number of guns out there, IS naive) somehow puts me on the side of no limits on guns whatsoever? Go ahead and argue with the giant straw man you just put up, because you certainly didn't address any of my points.

If you want to have a civil discussion without being a jerk, I'd welcome it, but there's no point in responding if you're just going to be a derisive a-hole.

[teetwoohsix]

My condolences and prayers go out to all of the families of the victims of this horrible tragedy, and everyone affected by it. It is a sad day for sure.

Sincerely, Clayton

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

semi-automatic rifles (which can actually be made automatic in about 5 minutes with a paperclip)

It's nowhere near that easy.

There used to be kits to replace parts, but those required the same license as the actual full auto. And at some point I don;t recall what year all the ones with relativley easy modifications were required to be reenginered so it wasn't easy.

Steve B

[kmac32]

I find it disturbing that a 20 year old has a glock, a high powered rifle, and another kind of pistol legally! Or they were legal guns! Where was the background check for this person done? The latest I had heard is there may have been a history of mentor illness. Authorities need to really crack down on weapons background checks!

[Gecklund311]

Originally Posted by kmac32

I find it disturbing that a 20 year old has a glock, a high powered rifle, and another kind of pistol legally! Or they were legal guns! Where was the background check for this person done? The latest I had heard is there may have been a history of mentor illness. Authorities need to really crack down on weapons background checks!

From what I understand, the guns were owned by the mother and not the 20 year old, unless reports have changed in recent hours. What the mother was doing with guns in the same house as a kid with mental problems is certainly a good question.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by Gecklund311

From what I understand, the guns were owned by the mother and not the 20 year old, unless reports have changed in recent hours. What the mother was doing with guns in the same house as a kid with mental problems is certainly a good question.

You have a point there. And if they were mom's, she should have known better. Very scary. Why would mom need those kind of weapons? Guess they ended up being her demise.