O/T feel sick inside - CT Elementary shooting

[Peter_Spaeth]

"If the guy didn't have a gun, he would have found other means to kill people."

Other than McVeigh, how many of these mass murderers have used any means other than guns? Just curious.

[William Todd]

This is horrific but it has happened in Western Europe, many times.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I thought when we went through this last time we found data showing the murder rates were much much lower in Western Europe and places like Canada and Australia, and weren't some of the Western European episodes terrorism, but if I am wrong I stand corrected.

[Texxxx]

Taking a SHIT on the Bill of Rights is not going to fix the problem. There have been mass murders in this world since the beginning of time. It didn't start when the US gave the people the right to bear arms.

[oldjudge]

Times are different than when the Bill of Rights was written. Maybe it needs to be updated. There is no reason for private citizens to own assault rifles or semi-automatic weapons (which by the way didn't exist when the Bill of Rights was written).

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Times are different than when the Bill of Rights was written. Maybe it needs to be updated. There is no reason for private citizens to own assault rifles or semi-automatic weapons (which by the way didn't exist when the Bill of Rights was written).

Why shouldn't a private citizen be able to own a assault rifle. I would like to own one and someday I will buy one. But it doesn't mean I plan on killing others with it.

[wazoo]

Allowing minors, to be exposed to gruesome games like Call of Duty does not help either.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by wazoo

Allowing minors, to be exposed to gruesome games like Call of Duty does not help either.

Again video games are not the problem, it's crazy people.

Also if i did buy a assault rifle, it would be when im back in the country and could shot in my back yard and not in a urban area.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Again video games are not the problem, it's crazy people.

Also if i did buy a assault rifle, it would be when im back in the country and could shot in my back yard and not in a urban area.

As a teenager, I know for a fact video games are a problem. My goodness, kids are up day and night, blowing off heads, stabbing, etc. I'm not saying video games are bad, but there are people who don't understand the term moderation. This addiction, and seeing blood and gore over and over is starting to make these kids immune to feeling remorse. Again, I am not saying all of kids, but honestly there are adolescents that people should be worried about.

[oldjudge]

Brock-why do you want to own an assault rifle? What would you do with it?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Brock-why do you want to own an assault rifle? What would you do with it?

This is the best post I've seen today. True, I'm on my second pint at the local pub, but this is still hilarious.

I'm visualizing Brock using his assault rifle and the Red Sox are involved.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Brock-why do you want to own an assault rifle? What would you do with it?

I enjoy guns and think they're fun to shoot. I just think it would be cool to own a AK-47 or a M-16, but my real joy would be a Tommy gun(only single burst not fully).

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I enjoy guns and think they're fun to shoot.

Still doesn't justify assault guns. If you want to see how good of a shot someone really is, try a muzzleloader.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Still doesn't justify assault guns. If you want to see how good of a shot someone really is, try a muzzleloader.

Ok so lets say someone goes and shoots up a school with a muzzleloader or a .22, should we then ban them??? Or like I mentioned already, say the guy drove his car through a group of kids and killed 15. Should cars be banned to a limit then? I'm sure more people are killed by stupid people driving a year then stupid people with guns.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

I enjoy guns and think they're fun to shoot. I just think it would be cool to own a AK-47 or a M-16, but my real joy would be a Tommy gun(only single burst not fully).

A Texas Tommy would be more enjoyable.

[Vintageismygame]

No one is going to change my views or feelings towards my guns and I will probably not change yours so I will continue to conceal carry daily and purchase as many guns as I can. Why? Because that's what I enjoy.

[Vintageismygame]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Brock-why do you want to own an assault rifle? What would you do with it?

They are great deer, bear, elk, boar hunting guns.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Vintageismygame

They are great deer, bear, elk, boar hunting guns.

Isn't it more challenging to hunt with a less lethal weapon? I mean haven't people been hunting since time immemorial without assault rifles?

[yanks12025]

But do you guys realize most of these "Assault Rifles" are just rifles. You need a special license for fully auto and stuff. So it's not like these guys are shooting up the schools with machine guns. I'm not a expert in guns, but I'm sure there are hunting rifles that either have the same or higher caliber round then most assault rifles. Like the rifles I looked at buying(AK, M16,etc) are only single shot. So why so much hate against assault rifles.

[oldjudge]

An assault rifle is a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use. Sounds like there are more appropriate ways to deer hunt.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

An assault rifle is a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use. Sounds like there are more appropriate ways to deer hunt.

Bow hunting is definitely more challenging.

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

An assault rifle is a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use. Sounds like there are more appropriate ways to deer hunt.

You need a special license for a fully automatic rifle. These people are using those type of guns, they are using single shot guns and maybe three-round burst but im not sure if you need a license for three-round burst.

[tiger8mush]

My heart goes out to the families of loved ones lost in Connecticut today. Poor kindergarteners My oldest is in kindergarten.

guns - i don't own one but don't believe they should be banned. How many people did Ted Bundy kill? How many did he kill with a gun?

I agree with Scott and others - lets try to understand WHY those who want to kill think that way, and start there. Taking away peoples freedoms isn't the answer. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

god - I don't buy the argument that taking god out of school has anything to do with an increase in violence. How many wars were started because of "religion"? Probably a good portion.

violent video games - not the problem

baseball cards - not the problem

I do believe loving family helps. But even then there are cases of people's heads just not ticking right. Need to better understand WHY and see if there is a way to help them before something like this happens. Very tragic, I feel for the surviving parents and siblings who will be looking for answers. WHY? I'd give my life to bring back those kids, thats for sure.

edited to add: p.s. can we drop the assault weapon discussion? it has NOTHING to do with what happened today. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Today would've happened with or without a ban on assault weapons

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

"If the guy didn't have a gun, he would have found other means to kill people."

Other than McVeigh, how many of these mass murderers have used any means other than guns? Just curious.

What about the Bath School Bombing where 45 people were killed(38 kids).

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

"If the guy didn't have a gun, he would have found other means to kill people."

Other than McVeigh, how many of these mass murderers have used any means other than guns? Just curious.

http://news.yahoo.com/children-stabb...084449002.html

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

http://news.yahoo.com/children-stabb...084449002.html

Yes it can be done, not saying it can't, but which do you think is more likely to result in more deaths all things being equal: a guy with multiple guns or a guy with a knife?

[yanks12025]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes it can be done, not saying it can't, but which do you think is more likely to result in more deaths all things being equal: a guy with multiple guns or a guy with a knife?

Well you're talking about banning assault rifles. Even though he didn't use a assault rifle. Either way, what ever weapon he used or the other people have used before too many innocent people have died for nothing.