Of Demmitt & O'Hara......St. Louis Variations.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Ted, do you really think they stopped printing the cards with PB backs, or just because it was Polar Bear only, that is why there are only about 500 of each card? I don't think they stopped them, I think that is just how many are left. I don't think you would be able to pick out a bunch of common players and find more than 500 Polar Bear cards for all of them.

I think there is approx 500 of them left because they were no-name players, not worth a nickel the first 50 years they existed and only made with one back. There are 250 subjects with Polar Bear backs, meaning if they were pulled, and accounting for Hall of Famers being more likely to be saved, therefor more plentiful, you think there are about 250,000 Polar Bear cards out there(1,000 of each)? I think you could say 500x250 and get 125,000 shows that they probably weren't taken out of the PB run at any point because I highly doubt there are more than even 50k PB backs in existence today

John

My research indicates that the 1st POLAR BEAR (PB) press run (350-Only series) was limited. Large surveys (15,000 - 20,000 cards) of T206's indicate that the subsequent
PB press runs of the 350/460 series T206's and the 460-Only series T206's were were certainly more prolific.

Approx. 135 subjects (of 208) from the 350-Only series were printed with the PB back. Whereas, all 109 subjects of the combined 350/460 series and 460-Only series were
printed with the PB back.

So, if I'm understanding correctly what you are suggesting, I agree that American Litho. printed the same number of Demmitt (St Louis American) and O'Hara St Louis Nat'l)
cards as they did the other 350-Only cards. And, your 500 number (on the high side) sounds good to me


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Approx. 135 subjects (of 216) from the 350-Only series were printed with the PB back. Whereas, all 109 subjects of the combined 350/460 series and 460-Only series were
printed with the PB back.

TED Z

I'm not looking to split hairs, but for the sake of accuracy the Polar Bear numbers are as follows:

Print Group 2 (350 Only) = 136 (of 200)
Print Group 3 (350/460) = 62
Print Group 4 (460 Only) = 46
Print Group 6 (Super Prints) = 6

Total = 250

[g_vezina_c55]

Just 1 question off topic.
It is about the dahlen brooklyn rarity...it is arround same rarity of the elberfeld wash ?

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

Just 1 question off topic.
It is about the dahlen brooklyn rarity...it is arround same rarity of the elberfeld wash ?

Yes. The difference being Dahlen Brooklyn was printed with a Sovereign back and Elberfeld Washington was not.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Yes. The difference being Dahlen Brooklyn was printed with a Sovereign back and Elberfeld Washington was not.

Ok so the dahlen is only avalaible with sov back like ohara and demmitt is only avalaible with PB. Any other variation avalaible with only 1 kind of back except these 3 and magie ?

Thx for the info.

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

Ok so the dahlen is only avalaible with sov back like ohara and demmitt is only avalaible with PB. Any other variation avalaible with only 1 kind of back except these 3 and magie ?

Thx for the info.

No, sorry for the confusion.

Dahlen Brooklyn and Elberfeld Washington are both possible with the following backs:

Piedmont 350
Sweet Cap 350 No.25
Sweet Cap 350 No.30
Old Mill

Dahlen Brooklyn is also confirmed with Sovereign 350 Forest Green and Elberfeld is not.

[g_vezina_c55]

Now i understand sorry it is probably due to my poor english. Thx a lot for the info. I really love the picture of the dahlen

Thx