Originally Posted by bbcard1 (Post 1059986)

......but Demmitt and O'Hara were traded to their new teams fairly late in the run and are only available in Polar Bear products with the new team designation and slight alterations to the pictures. They played very few games for their new teams and were not included in subsequent ATC offerings. Polar Bears were issued in the late part of 1910.

Originally Posted by Archive (Post 523514)

Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>Here's my take on these two rare T206 variations. First, I will start with their brief BB careers.<br /><br />................... Demmitt ........................... O'Hara
<br />Major League<br />1909.....NY Amer....123 games..............NY NL......115 games<br />1910.....St L AL.......10 games..............St L NL........9 games
<br />Eastern League (AAA)<br />1910.....Montreal....130 games..............Toronto....122 games<br />1911.....Montreal....153 games..............Toronto....147 games
<br />Major League<br />1914-19 (Det., Chi AL, St Lo AL)<br /><br />Both players were featured 1st in the 350-only series (as NY players) with limited backs than most other T206 subjects in the 350 series. Demmitt is found
with Piedmont 350, Sweet Cap 350, Carolina Brights, EPDG, and Tolstoi. O'Hara is found with Piedmont 350, Sweet Cap 350, and Sovereign 350.
Note......POLAR BEAR backed T206's had not been printed yet..<br /><br />Demmitt was traded in Dec. 1909 to St Louis AL and O'Hara at the start of 1910 to the St Louis NL. Circa mid 1910, American Lithographic started printing
350 series T206's (including the Demmitt & O'Hara St. Louis variations) for shipment to the POLAR BEAR chewing tobacco factory in Ohio. Meanwhile, both
Demmitt & O'Hara had been reassigned to Montreal & Toronto of the Eastern League, respectively. Therefore, American Litho. discontinued printing Demmitt
and O'Hara in their subsequent press runs of POLAR BEAR and other T-brands (PIEDMONT, SWEET CAP, etc.) The POLAR BEAR exclusivity of these two vari-
ations is simply a matter of timing. My guess is that there are approx. 400 - 500 of the Demmitt & O'Hara St. Louis variations in circulation.


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Furthermore, both Demmitt and O'Hara were printed in the 1912 Canadian Imperial Tobacco Company (C46) set.

http://i529.photobucket.com/albums/d...mmittohara.jpg


TED Z collection

Originally Posted by bbcard1 (Post 1060120)

Just a guess, but I am thinking is high...I would think more like 300 of each. I would be interested in everyones take on this...based soley on observations, I think the Dahlen Brooklyn is very nearly as tough as the Ohara and Demmitt variations...maybe as tough.

Originally Posted by z28jd (Post 1060114)

Ted, do you really think they stopped printing the cards with PB backs, or just because it was Polar Bear only, that is why there are only about 500 of each card? I don't think they stopped them, I think that is just how many are left. I don't think you would be able to pick out a bunch of common players and find more than 500 Polar Bear cards for all of them.

I think there is approx 500 of them left because they were no-name players, not worth a nickel the first 50 years they existed and only made with one back. There are 250 subjects with Polar Bear backs, meaning if they were pulled, and accounting for Hall of Famers being more likely to be saved, therefor more plentiful, you think there are about 250,000 Polar Bear cards out there(1,000 of each)? I think you could say 500x250 and get 125,000 shows that they probably weren't taken out of the PB run at any point because I highly doubt there are more than even 50k PB backs in existence today

Originally Posted by tedzan (Post 1060173)

Approx. 135 subjects (of 216) from the 350-Only series were printed with the PB back. Whereas, all 109 subjects of the combined 350/460 series and 460-Only series were
printed with the PB back.

TED Z

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55 (Post 1060188)

Just 1 question off topic.
It is about the dahlen brooklyn rarity...it is arround same rarity of the elberfeld wash ?

Originally Posted by Abravefan11 (Post 1060189)

Yes. The difference being Dahlen Brooklyn was printed with a Sovereign back and Elberfeld Washington was not.

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55 (Post 1060192)

Ok so the dahlen is only avalaible with sov back like ohara and demmitt is only avalaible with PB. Any other variation avalaible with only 1 kind of back except these 3 and magie ?

Thx for the info.

Originally Posted by bbcard1 (Post 1060120)

Just a guess, but I am thinking is high...I would think more like 300 of each. I would be interested in everyones take on this...based soley on observations, I think the Dahlen Brooklyn is very nearly as tough as the Ohara and Demmitt variations...maybe as tough.