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121 | 58.17% |
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11-21-2012, 01:16 PM
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If the Helmar guys had simply created a set of Boston Garter cards, no distressing them, and sold that way, they might perform sale-wise, similarly to other vintage-wanabe issues. However, as Adam pointed out, they do fill in some missing niches. Could be that the Helmar guys read our board about fantasy cards we'd like to see, and gave them to us.
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11-21-2012, 01:25 PM
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11-21-2012, 01:54 PM
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I voted, "like," with the following caveat:
If I were at a show, saw one that appealed to me, and the price was an amount I was willing to part with...I would buy it. For reasons already mentioned in this thread, I am not entirely comfortable with the manner in which they have been listed for sale. Please pardon my pet peeve on this; however, I do appreciate accuracy throughout the entire listing. As an aside...I occasionally think back to a similar situation from many years ago. I was at a show and a dealer had something in his case that I had only ever seen in a movie. It was the fantasy card of Roy Hobbs which was depicted in the movie, "The Natural." Unless I am much mistaken, that card has little or no value; however, I do wish I had picked it up....just for its appeal to me. Best Regards, Eric
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11-21-2012, 02:07 PM
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11-21-2012, 02:26 PM
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So, to further answer the Helmar question...and sorry to stray from that topic in the first place...yes, I like them; however, would not pay very much for them. Best, Eric
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11-21-2012, 08:42 PM
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Sorry to reply to my own post; however, this particular Helmar piqued my interest quite a bit. It is priced just a bit too high for me to seriously consider purchasing...all things considered...although it is a nice contrast to the modern offerings being sold under the same name.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1912-L4-Leat...item51a41cf679
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11-21-2012, 11:42 PM
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Some interesting opinions here...
Thank you for all the input and thanks, Leon, for starting the thread. A few of the things I've read have really astonished me!
As I'm prone to tell anyone that talks to me for more than five minutes, I think that I have the best job in the world. Every day feels like I am eleven years old again, waking up on a late June morning, grabbing my mitt and badgering the first kid walking by my door to play a little catch. I'm pretty sure that even if 0% of the people liked the cards I make, I would still make them. It is very addictive and satisfying to be building a body of modest work. I've made many great friends through this experience and hope, over time, to make more. I would find it hard to believe that what I do detracts from the hobby in any way. If anything, I believe that it brings a little vibrancy, a little fresh air to our collecting. Just because I make an art card of Eddie Grant, for example, the value or importance of other collections are not threatened or degraded. This is not a zero sum game; when I make a new card it does not mean that other cards are somehow less desirable. That is my opinion, at least. A question has occurred to me a few times over the past couple of years: if there was some fellow, like me, who had been making cards like this back in the 1940's, for example, what would modern collectors think of them? I tend to think that they would be valued, perhaps quite highly. Well, the only difference between me and that hypothetical 1940's creator is a few decades. While I may be able to artificially age my creations, I can't make them genuinely old. Nature, however, will eventually take care of even that. At the beginning of this post I mentioned that I was genuinely astonished at some of the comments. What surprised me was the idea that some of my cards should be more mass produced! My impression for the last twenty-five years is that they make too much of everything! Indeed, my idea of making just four cards a year and very publicly auctioning them (while spacing them out, at that) was my attempt at finding a reliable antidote to the problem that people could count on. In any event, I can't imagine doing much in the way of increased production. Certainly, in fact, for any series that I've made thus far. I think that it would disappoint the winning bidders of the "originals". Thanks again for all your considered opinions, Charles from Helmar Brewing
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11-22-2012, 10:24 AM
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I found it curious that no one had any concerns over the '33 Goudey Lajoie. It looks, well, kind of a whole lot like the real card, except for the back.
Am I missing something?
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11-21-2012, 10:46 PM
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I love the images, but I don't like the way they are marketed and sold. And really, who knows how many of each card gets printed? The wording is vague. It's really a shame that more people can't enjoy these fantastic images. I would definitely collect these if they were printed in larger quantities and sold at a reasonable price. Until then, I'll pass and stick to vintage cards ...
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