Helmar Boston Garter Cobb and others...

[scooter729]

I really wish they weren't listed as "Pre-WWII (Pre-1942)" era, since they are being made right now. I wouldn't totally say that "they certainly aren't meant to deceive" when they are listed in this manner.

[Paul S]

I like them but have no desire to collect them. Hence, I had to vote "I don't care".

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I like them but have no desire to collect them. Hence, I had to vote "I don't care".

Yeah, no matter how the question was phrased I knew confusion would exist so I tried to take the Keep-it-Simple method. The question doesn't pertain to if you want to collect them only if you like them. Otherwise it would have said "do you want to, or do you, collect them" ......thanks for everyone's thoughts so far.

[vintagecpa]

I can't believe I am saying this, but I almost wish they were more mass-produced. I could see myself collecting them if they were priced closer to modern cards. I suppose the fact that they aren't mass-produced is what has created the niche market.

[MVSNYC]

History/info, please....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

History/info, please....

Michael- Everything is posted in the link at the bottom of the auction.....and the creator has been on the board before too. Best regards

[autograf]

I think they're great. I agree that they expand the vintage market to a certain degree. They are clearly marked as well. I have picked up a couple of the L1 like leathers that they have made. Just looking at them on the internet, you don't really get the full effect of the craftsmanship of them. They are well made items.............

[MVSNYC]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/H813-4-Bosto...ht_1142wt_1184

thanks guys, i've been brought up to speed now...they're stunning. love this Rube Foster!

[lug-nut]

This is the one I purchased. I like them to a point, I wanted something a little different and looks vintage. Some I'm not impressed. I have no plans to collect more than a 3-4 tops, maybe a wagner, matty young etc...but as a modern card I won't pay very much, I think I paid $40 for this one, adds a little to my collection.

Pre-WWII does deceive a little and when the dealer throws in the past "sold" price, it bothered me a tiny bit. But I got my card. I do think they should list it in a modern era.

[Harford20]

Strictly looking at the card as artwork, these have appeal to me. I have attempted to pick up the Matty version, but the three sold have sold for significantly more than I would be willing to pay for them ($205, $255, $350). While I would never collect many of these art cards, select ones do appeal to me.

[esd10]

i like them alot but i think they sell for way to much money in opinion

[dabigyankeeman]

I love the look of the Helmar cards, but i consider them modern cards and would never pay the price for what they are going for. If they were $9.99 i would collect the Yankees in Helmar, but not at the insane prices people are bidding them up to.

[CW]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

History/info, please....

Here's a previous thread with some good info, as well as a few posts from a Helmar representative, Charles.

[ullmandds]

I agree with some of the sentiments already stated:

I think they are very cool
I would never buy them due to the crazy prices
I have less of an issue with them being in the pre War category than topps/modern mass produced issues/pokemon crap

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I really wish they weren't listed as "Pre-WWII (Pre-1942)" era, since they are being made right now. I wouldn't totally say that "they certainly aren't meant to deceive" when they are listed in this manner.

I voted that I like them, but that is for what they are.

I hate that when I am searching PreWWII I have to put "-helmar" in my search otherwise it gets saturated by these things. Ebay has a policy against this in their "Seach and Browse manipulation policy". Yet we know they don't enforce their own policies. If they did then any one that has "SGC 4 (Not PSA)" would also be breaking the rules yet the site is saturated with these listings.

Ebay really needs to enforce their own policies if they want to make it a better site.

[Runscott]

Leon, as someone who has created his own card sets, yes, I like them - they are wonderfully done, capture 'vintage', and what's not to like?

But while I like the actual physical cards, I don't get the prices. I commend the creators for getting the most $$$ possible from their idea, but I selfishly would like to see an undistressed affordable 'set' of their fantasy Boston Garters or '33 Goudeys. If the price were right, I would buy some.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by scooter729

I really wish they weren't listed as "Pre-WWII (Pre-1942)" era, since they are being made right now. I wouldn't totally say that "they certainly aren't meant to deceive" when they are listed in this manner.

This one might involve just a tad of 'deception', but if I were collecting the '33 Goudey set, it would make a good filler:

1933 Goudey Lajoie

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Runscott

This one might involve just a tad of 'deception', but if I were collecting the '33 Goudey set, it would make a good filler:

1933 Goudey Lajoie

I had decided that this card WOULD make a good filler in my progressing 33 goudey set and was in the process of psyching myself up for a last second bid tonight, when it dawned on me that I should check the size.
These are 3"x3.6" inches according to the helmar website. "real" R319's are 2-3/8" x 2-7/8".

Just thought I'd post that as a warning in case anyone else had decided to use this card in their 33 set.

[Eric72]

Just my inexperienced and very humble opinion here...the Helmar version lacks something which appeared on the original and should be fairly easy to spot...unless I am much mistaken. No confusing their version with the Goudey Lajoie.



(I do not work for Helmar, know anyone from Helmar, own stock in the company, plan to enter into any position regarding equitable securities offered by the company, if any, within the next 72 hours, etc., etc., etc.)

Oh, additionally, the card pictured is (clearly) not mine.

Best,

Eric

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Just my inexperienced and very humble opinion here...the Helmar version lacks something which appeared on the original and should be fairly easy to spot...unless I am much mistaken. No confusing their version with the Goudey Lajoie.

(I do not work for Helmar, know anyone from Helmar, own stock in the company, plan to enter into any position regarding equitable securities offered by the company, if any, within the next 72 hours, etc., etc., etc.)

Oh, additionally, the card pictured is (clearly) not mine.

Best,

Eric

Eric, you are right, and perhaps that's enough for some people.

I don't know if you were around for the huge fuss I created when I tried to create a set of Old Judge reprints. Even having them larger with stamps on the back AND an added identifying mark on the front, was not enough for some board members.

This Lajoie is damned close to the original, the same size, AND distressed.

[z28jd]

Scott check out the post above by tonyo, the Lajoie isn't the same size as the original

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by z28jd

Scott check out the post above by tonyo, the Lajoie isn't the same size as the original

Edited - thinking about this, I have no idea why I even posted on the subject. I have no plans to buy a Helmar, no concerns over any confusion anyone else may have over these, and the artwork is very impressive. I think it's kind of weird that Helmar would create a painting of a miniaturized painting, then miniaturize their own into a similar-sized card, but there are weirder things occurring in our hobby.

So....carry on.