Dallas Cowboys 'Loser' list

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

There's no order - just adding Cowboys as they underperform. I'm sure Romo will make it soon enough, but I have to admit I have been impressed with his determination the last two games. Today I noticed again that Romo and his offense do not seem to be on the same page. He seems frustrated, yelling at players - one of the linemen threw his hands up in the air at one point, as if exasperated with Romo. And, as happened frequently last year, he had to call a time-out because the offense wasn't ready, and also got a delay of game.

But I'll save Romo for next week.

The buck somewhat stops at Romo. Just not sure he has what it takes.

[jefferyepayne]

Just watched an episode about Jimmy Johnson on ESPN's "A Football Life" and it reminded me of how much Jerry Jones screwed up by not being able to get along with Jimmy. His ego has not gotten any smaller and he continues to insist he knows something about football.

jeff

[deebro041]

Good point Jeff.
Scott you know they will drag us in to the end of the season and miss the playoffs by one game leaving us once again banging our heads against the wall!

[Runscott]

Yeah, I was almost hoping the Browns would end it for us.

My thoughts about Jones:

1. He couldn't stand Jimmy Johnson getting credit for the team's success
2. He realized that his fans were sick of his attitude, and so hired Parcells and gave him 'complete' control. His ego was still too big, so that didn't work
3. Now he considers Garrett 'his boy', and wants to see him succeed so that he can take credit for the team's success
4. Romo is an enigma. Jones never puts up with failure this long. Another case of Jones needing to prove he made a good choice?

Better than Randall Cunningham, Drew Bledsoe, and Vinny Testaverde? Last time I checked all of those players had won a playoff game in their career. Kitna and Romo have the same amount of playoff wins so I'll call that a push. He folds like a bad lawn chair under playoff pressure.

I'll give you, he's better than Anthony Wright, Quincy Carter, Stephen McGee, Ryan Leaf (oh boy!), Clint Stoerner, Drew Henson, and Chad Hutchinson.

Headcases are the problem for the Cowboys. In the locker room, front office, and on the sidelines. Egos, nothing more than that.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Better than Randall Cunningham, Drew Bledsoe, and Vinny Testaverde? Last time I checked all of those players had won a playoff game in their career. Kitna and Romo have the same amount of playoff wins so I'll call that a push. He folds like a bad lawn chair under playoff pressure.

I'll give you, he's better than Anthony Wright, Quincy Carter, Stephen McGee, Ryan Leaf (oh boy!), Clint Stoerner, Drew Henson, and Chad Hutchinson.

Headcases are the problem for the Cowboys. In the locker room, front office, and on the sidelines. Egos, nothing more than that.

At the point in their careers those guys were on the Cowboys? That's pretty silly to be honest.

Jon Kitna? C'mon!

Playoff wins or not, Romo is easily the best QB they have had since 1999.

For a guy who was an undrafted Free Agent out of college, he sure takes a lot of flack. He may actually be one of the biggest over-achievers in Cowboys history.

His biggest flaw is probably the aw shucks, just happy to be here because I'm an undrafted free agent who's the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys.

He spent a lot of years being bullied by the malcontents on his team instead of leading them.

Guys like Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben, The Manning brothers.........will get the ball to the guy who gets open for him first. Romo has had a bad habit of forcing the ball to his friends..........or the guy who's whining the most to have the ball thrown to them.

Romo has tons of 4th quarter comebacks, but it seems like he takes a lot of flack because of the amount of 4th quarter leads the Cowboys have lost themselves...............often the product of a defensive collapse.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Playoff wins or not, Romo is easily the best QB they have had since 1999.

There is no doubt you are correct. The Quincy Carter years were the most frustrating of all.

The argument against Romo is that he folds when you need a big game out of him - getting two in a row is impossible. The quarterback leads the team, and when the team is as inconsistent as Dallas (great game one week, followed by horrible the next, repeat the previous ad infinitum...), year after year during the same QB's tenure, you've got to take a closer look. I would be curious to hear Romo's explanation.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Runscott

There is no doubt you are correct. The Quincy Carter years were the most frustrating of all.

The argument against Romo is that he folds when you need a big game out of him - getting two in a row is impossible. The quarterback leads the team, and when the team is as inconsistent as Dallas (great game one week, followed by horrible the next, repeat the previous ad infinitum...), year after year during the same QB's tenure, you've got to take a closer look. I would be curious to hear Romo's explanation.

I think it's the entire team atmosphere, and it starts with Jerry Jones at the top.

Obviously Romo is a part of that, but unless the Cowboys tank a season a franchise QB is coming out of college, there's not a lot of "better" options for them.

Franchise QB's rarely become available in Free Agency, Manning only recently because of his neck injury.

He reminds me a lot of Danny White. A very good QB (statistically nearly as good as Roger Staubach during the regular season), who wilted in several playoff situations...........and Cowboys fans hated him for not being Roger.

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Jon Kitna? C'mon!

Playoff wins or not, Romo is easily the best QB they have had since 1999.

For a guy who was an undrafted Free Agent out of college, he sure takes a lot of flack. He may actually be one of the biggest over-achievers in Cowboys history.

Over-achiever? Romo is the embodiment of NFL mediocrity. He takes flack because he deserves it. All of this "Romo is an elite quarterback" talk is a joke. He will never win a playoff game.... ever! If he does I will eat a Tony Romo Fathead, and post a pic of my meal on net54.

BTW Kitna was also an undrafted free agent from Central Washington University (Div 2), even played in Europe for a while. Was he also "the biggest over-achiever in Cowboys history"? Sincerely, Hopeless Jon Kitna Apologist and CWU Alum.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Over-achiever? Romo is the embodiment of NFL mediocrity. He takes flack because he deserves it. All of this "Romo is an elite quarterback" talk is a joke. He will never win a playoff game.... ever! If he does I will eat a Tony Romo Fathead, and post a pic of my meal on net54.

BTW Kitna was also an undrafted free agent from Central Washington University (Div 2), even played in Europe for a while. Was he also "the biggest over-achiever in Cowboys history"? Sincerely, Hopeless Jon Kitna Apologist and CWU Alum.

How many games did Jon Kitna actually play for the Cowboys?

I'm a Giants fan, I hate the Cowboys. I'm also aware Romo has played some fantastic statistical games against the Giants and lost them, because other aspects of his team let them down.

I don't have a horse in this race, so I'm not really interested in talking smack. If you want to argue logically I'm happy to hear out your reasons.

If your only argument is playoff wins and comparing Romo to old men who played a season or two off the bench, I guess I'll just give this up.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Over-achiever? Romo is the embodiment of NFL mediocrity. He takes flack because he deserves it. All of this "Romo is an elite quarterback" talk is a joke. He will never win a playoff game.... ever! If he does I will eat a Tony Romo Fathead, and post a pic of my meal on net54.

BTW Kitna was also an undrafted free agent from Central Washington University (Div 2), even played in Europe for a while. Was he also "the biggest over-achiever in Cowboys history"? Sincerely, Hopeless Jon Kitna Apologist and CWU Alum.

Romo already has won a playoff game.

[alanu]

All kidding aside, I think the Cowboys main problem is coaching. If they had one of the Harbaugh's they'd be one of the better teams in the league. Romo isn't elite, but he's just as good or better than Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Schaub, Big Ben, etc

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by alanu

All kidding aside, I think the Cowboys main problem is coaching. If they had one of the Harbaugh's they'd be one of the better teams in the league. Romo isn't elite, but he's just as good or better than Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Schaub, Big Ben, etc

No one has brought this up, but for several years now the Cowboys have had very high expectations prior to season start. They were even predicted by many to be the hosts in the JJ Monstrosity's first Super Bowl, yet they failed to even make the playoffs.

Given that many of the experts continue to have such inflated views of Cowboy potential each year, the personnel on the team MUST have some untapped potential. I personally agree with Alan that it's coaching - Garrett makes such blatant mistakes that no one could argue with his being a culprit. How about Ryan? Has he had enough time and been given enough talented players to have gotten the job done by now? How about JJ? Is he such a demoralizing influence on the team that no one can perform under him?

I tend to agree with Alan that if you bring a good coaching staff in, you turn this team around fairly fast.

Giants fans: enjoy it while you can. Given that the 5 Cowboys losses this year came to 4 division leaders plus the Seahawks, and the rest of the stretch is pretty lame, despite all the problems, the Cowboys might actually make it to the playoffs this year as division champs.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

Just watched an episode about Jimmy Johnson on ESPN's "A Football Life" and it reminded me of how much Jerry Jones screwed up by not being able to get along with Jimmy. His ego has not gotten any smaller and he continues to insist he knows something about football.

jeff

Jimmy stood up to Jerry and wouldn't let Jerry run the team. Each head coach after Jimmy has been a bit of a puppet. It's all about Jerry. Jerry even said, the other night on the news, that if he were head coach he would fire himself . I thought that was pretty funny.

[alanu]

Sad, whiny Cowboy fans make me happy.

[tiger8mush]

I think you could stick Brady or Rodgers or Brees on this team and you wouldn't see much difference. The OL can't pass block, they can't no-huddle, they false start and hold. The offense as a whole can't no-huddle - they aren't smart enough cuz they haven't been taught. They don't have the discipline. They have individual talent but don't play as a team. Dez Bryant spends too much time arguing with the refs when he should be getting back to the huddle. WRs run the wrong read-routes. This has been going on for years - #11 Roy Williams couldn't run a timing route w/Romo. The OL will double team a guy, leaving a gap for a blitzing LBer to run right up the middle. Don't get me started on clock management. And play calling. ACK!

not gonna be pretty on turkey day vs the deadskins!

[D. Bergin]

Giant fan here. Looking from this side of the fence, I've never seen Romo as the problem with the Cowboys.

He's the best QB the Cowboys have had since Aikman, by a country mile.

People talk like dominant QB's grow on trees, and the Cowboys can just go out and find somebody better.

If Jerry Jones spent less time and money going after players who have a lot of raw talent, but have to be baby-sat on a regular basis to the detriment of the rest of the team, the Cowboys might be able to make a run at something.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by alanu

Sad, whiny Cowboy fans make me happy.

You are mean.

[alanu]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You are mean.

only when it comes to the Yankees and Cowboys, of course, my team was the Oilers and I didn't convert when they became the Titans so I'm kind of without a team