Dallas Cowboys 'Loser' list

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Jon Kitna? C'mon!

Playoff wins or not, Romo is easily the best QB they have had since 1999.

For a guy who was an undrafted Free Agent out of college, he sure takes a lot of flack. He may actually be one of the biggest over-achievers in Cowboys history.

Over-achiever? Romo is the embodiment of NFL mediocrity. He takes flack because he deserves it. All of this "Romo is an elite quarterback" talk is a joke. He will never win a playoff game.... ever! If he does I will eat a Tony Romo Fathead, and post a pic of my meal on net54.

BTW Kitna was also an undrafted free agent from Central Washington University (Div 2), even played in Europe for a while. Was he also "the biggest over-achiever in Cowboys history"? Sincerely, Hopeless Jon Kitna Apologist and CWU Alum.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Over-achiever? Romo is the embodiment of NFL mediocrity. He takes flack because he deserves it. All of this "Romo is an elite quarterback" talk is a joke. He will never win a playoff game.... ever! If he does I will eat a Tony Romo Fathead, and post a pic of my meal on net54.

BTW Kitna was also an undrafted free agent from Central Washington University (Div 2), even played in Europe for a while. Was he also "the biggest over-achiever in Cowboys history"? Sincerely, Hopeless Jon Kitna Apologist and CWU Alum.

How many games did Jon Kitna actually play for the Cowboys?

I'm a Giants fan, I hate the Cowboys. I'm also aware Romo has played some fantastic statistical games against the Giants and lost them, because other aspects of his team let them down.

I don't have a horse in this race, so I'm not really interested in talking smack. If you want to argue logically I'm happy to hear out your reasons.

If your only argument is playoff wins and comparing Romo to old men who played a season or two off the bench, I guess I'll just give this up.

[howard38]

Originally Posted by pariah1107

Over-achiever? Romo is the embodiment of NFL mediocrity. He takes flack because he deserves it. All of this "Romo is an elite quarterback" talk is a joke. He will never win a playoff game.... ever! If he does I will eat a Tony Romo Fathead, and post a pic of my meal on net54.

BTW Kitna was also an undrafted free agent from Central Washington University (Div 2), even played in Europe for a while. Was he also "the biggest over-achiever in Cowboys history"? Sincerely, Hopeless Jon Kitna Apologist and CWU Alum.

Romo already has won a playoff game.

[alanu]

All kidding aside, I think the Cowboys main problem is coaching. If they had one of the Harbaugh's they'd be one of the better teams in the league. Romo isn't elite, but he's just as good or better than Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Schaub, Big Ben, etc

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by alanu

All kidding aside, I think the Cowboys main problem is coaching. If they had one of the Harbaugh's they'd be one of the better teams in the league. Romo isn't elite, but he's just as good or better than Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Ryan, Schaub, Big Ben, etc

No one has brought this up, but for several years now the Cowboys have had very high expectations prior to season start. They were even predicted by many to be the hosts in the JJ Monstrosity's first Super Bowl, yet they failed to even make the playoffs.

Given that many of the experts continue to have such inflated views of Cowboy potential each year, the personnel on the team MUST have some untapped potential. I personally agree with Alan that it's coaching - Garrett makes such blatant mistakes that no one could argue with his being a culprit. How about Ryan? Has he had enough time and been given enough talented players to have gotten the job done by now? How about JJ? Is he such a demoralizing influence on the team that no one can perform under him?

I tend to agree with Alan that if you bring a good coaching staff in, you turn this team around fairly fast.

Giants fans: enjoy it while you can. Given that the 5 Cowboys losses this year came to 4 division leaders plus the Seahawks, and the rest of the stretch is pretty lame, despite all the problems, the Cowboys might actually make it to the playoffs this year as division champs.

[HRBAKER]

Alan and Scott,
You two think that the talent on this team is Super Bowl caliber and all that's missing is the right coach?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Alan and Scott,
You two think that the talent on this team is Super Bowl caliber and all that's missing is the right coach?

??? YOU said that, not me.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by Runscott

??? YOU said that, not me.

I misinterpreted this line from your previous post:


I tend to agree with Alan that if you bring a good coaching staff in, you turn this team around fairly fast.

Sorry about that./

[steve B]

I've become more and more convinced that Football is a sport that really requires a team effort. And one that goes all the way to the top.

Hate the Pats if you want, many do. But they have an organization that's consistent from the top down. And one in which the player might not matter a whole lot.
When you're calling plays based on the individuals skills rather than forcing them to match the play more plays become high percentage.
Think about it, they went 11-5 with a backup who's been very average on another team. No playoffs that year, only because someone else had a better year.

I don't think Romo is the problem.

I think the problem starts with JJ and runs down from there.
The coach isn't confident in support from the owner.
So he pushes for results.
But instead of going with the guys who can get it done he goes with the guys who are paid the most. Probably because of demands from the owner.

Can you imagine a Cowboys coach going for it on 4th down on their own side of the field late in a game against Peyton Manning?
Or deliberately allowing a go ahead touchdown to preserve some clock time?
Now can you imagine a Cowboys coach doing that and keeping his job?
Or actually getting support from the owner for those decisions?
Nope, I don't see it. Maybe not on any other team either, although it's easier to imagine on successful teams. (Giants maybe?)

Let a coach get Romo into plays designed around his strengths, and give him the freedom and support to bench underperforming malcontents or cut/trade them and I think you'll see much better results.

Steve B

[HRBAKER]

Steve,

Some good points and the Pats may be a strong org from top to bottom, but IMO, swap out Brady for Romo and you have no where near the same team/results.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Steve,

Some good points and the Pats may be a strong org from top to bottom, but IMO, swap out Brady for Romo and you have no where near the same team/results.

Well, I think it's unfair to compare almost anybody to Brady...........but as was mentioned earlier, Matt Cassell did very well with this team, and I don't think any team in the league would trade Romo for Cassell.

Wonder if anybody realizes this. Tony Romo has the 4th highest career passer rating in league history as of today. Just behind Steve Young and just ahead of Peyton Manning. Yes, this is more a product of the modern passing game and modern rules then anything.........but it's a hell of an argument against people claiming he's "average" or even "below average" when compared to his peers.

So the question persists.............WHO should the Cowboys go out and get so they can jettison him. Should they just scrap the whole team and rebuild from scratch..........hope they can snag a Luck or Griffin type in the draft?

[Runscott]

1. Dez Bryant - stepping out of bounds, unmolested, 1/2 yard short of a first down when his team is down 10-0.
2. Doug Free - provides almost zero protection for Tony Romo on the right side
3. Jerry Jones (obviously) - for sticking with Garrett

4. Rob Ryan - I think it's safe to add this guy after the first half today.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Runscott

1. Dez Bryant - stepping out of bounds, unmolested, 1/2 yard short of a first down when his team is down 10-0.
2. Doug Free - provides almost zero protection for Tony Romo on the right side
3. Jerry Jones (obviously) - for sticking with Garrett

4. Rob Ryan - I think it's safe to add this guy after the first half today.

1. agreed, plus he lost a fumble
2. if Free TOUCHED the defender before letting him run straight at Romo it'd be an improvement
3. JJ needs to hire a GM. He's great as an owner, but would ANY other team in the NFL hire JJ as a GM? no. but he's the GM of this franchise. unacceptable.
4. defense played a much better 2nd half. in the first half, the safeties were outplayed and looked foolish multiple times especially on the deep pass to WR Robinson

[Runscott]

Okay, another go-round. Last week the Cowboys won, but all of their competitors won as well. Still, a best-case scenario on Monday would leave Dallas tied with New York, Chicago and Seattle, with 2 weeks remaining. Over those remaining two weeks they would need to gain one game on either Chicago OR Seattle, OR one game on New York, in order to make the play-offs.

That's incredible, and undeserved.

Still, as a fan since 1965, I have to hope for it.