Looks blue to me

[E93]

That is not the same card imho. On a quick glance of the upper left corner it is clear.
JimB

Originally Posted by obcmac

I am curious as to what people think of this...this card (from ebay)...has the exact same idiosyncratic wear...broken upper right border (can't recall seeing much of that on t206's...but I haven't really looked for it either)...also the spot of Red on the uniform. I don't know what I think now ;-)

Mac

[drumback]

Very interesting. None of the other Walsh cards on eBay have the red dot or the break in the upper right border. Also, see the white dot above the back of his head? It is on both the blue back card and the one posted by Mac, but none of the others.

Does anyone here own that Walsh or have a tag on it in the psa registry?

[Leon]

What an intriguing card!! I have gone back and forth on it, myself. Sometimes I like it, other times not quite as much. Right now, that scan in this thread has me liking it again. It reminds me a little bit of the AWA Caramel E222's. Before the 2nd and 3rd ones became known it was thought that it could have been an anomaly. Now, it's a legitimatized type. If I were a T206 back collector (which I am, but not hard core) then I think at some level I would want to own this card. Maybe 15k-20k wouldn't be a bad risk? Personally, I like owning unique things. And then too, if another is found, what does that do to the value? (I don't think it goes down at all, quite the contrary)

[x2drich2000]

I agree with Jim, the blue back and PSA 3.5 are not the same card. Notice the centering, to me, the blue back has a larger left border. Also, these two cards are not unique to having the missing border and red dot. Here is auction for another Walsh missing the border and with the dot.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1276508

DJ

[drumback]

No, I don't think they are the same card either, but they share common flaws that seem unlikely. Both have the a white spot, as mentioned before, above the back of the head. Noted, one is larger than the other. Also, both have a white mark just a bit above his shoulder near the right border. None of the other Chesbros on eBay currently have these flaws. Also, there is a small mark extending down at the middle of the bottom border. Probably just printing flaws that may exist on other samples, but it's interesting that none of the others on eBay have these flaws.

Is it possible the one was used as a template to create the blue back card? Doesn't seem likely, but if it was, the fakers have reached a level of sophistication that will fool veteran collectors. That's a scary thought.

[x2drich2000]

Interesting Chris that the three cards you brought up and the 1 I did that all have the missing border and red dot are all from the 350 series and factory 25. Also, the blue Old Mill is factory 25. Would the Old Mill back be from this same series?

DJ

[teetwoohsix]

It's no doubt blue, but that's the problem. The reprints were that color blue.

Anything I say beyond that will only come across as me bashing the card, so-I have a question for anyone who cares to answer- if this card were posted in a thread, and someone said "look what I found in my collection"- without knowing anything else about the card, and, it was raw and ungraded-honestly- how many people would be calling this a reprint? Or, a "Frankenstein"? My guess was 97% of the board, give or take.....

Sincerely, Clayton