Looks blue to me

[obcmac]

I am curious as to what people think of this...this card (from ebay)...has the exact same idiosyncratic wear...broken upper right border (can't recall seeing much of that on t206's...but I haven't really looked for it either)...also the spot of Red on the uniform. I don't know what I think now ;-)

Mac

[obcmac]

Forgot to mention...back is a piedmont...factory 25. Maybe they printed the old mill backs after the piedmonts (that is nothing but wild speculation) ;-)

Mac

[scooter729]

I can't chime in about blue or not, but with the hi-res scan, the card definitely looks a bit overgraded as a 30 with its creases and heavy wear. That's obviously not the deciding factor in anyone purchasing this card or not, but I've seen nicer looking 20's than this 30.

[ullmandds]

what's up with the dots in the C-H-I-C-A-G-O lettering. i'm not sure if I've ever seen this before on this card?

NEVER MIND!!!!!

[E93]

That is not the same card imho. On a quick glance of the upper left corner it is clear.
JimB

Originally Posted by obcmac

I am curious as to what people think of this...this card (from ebay)...has the exact same idiosyncratic wear...broken upper right border (can't recall seeing much of that on t206's...but I haven't really looked for it either)...also the spot of Red on the uniform. I don't know what I think now ;-)

Mac

[drumback]

Very interesting. None of the other Walsh cards on eBay have the red dot or the break in the upper right border. Also, see the white dot above the back of his head? It is on both the blue back card and the one posted by Mac, but none of the others.

Does anyone here own that Walsh or have a tag on it in the psa registry?

[Leon]

What an intriguing card!! I have gone back and forth on it, myself. Sometimes I like it, other times not quite as much. Right now, that scan in this thread has me liking it again. It reminds me a little bit of the AWA Caramel E222's. Before the 2nd and 3rd ones became known it was thought that it could have been an anomaly. Now, it's a legitimatized type. If I were a T206 back collector (which I am, but not hard core) then I think at some level I would want to own this card. Maybe 15k-20k wouldn't be a bad risk? Personally, I like owning unique things. And then too, if another is found, what does that do to the value? (I don't think it goes down at all, quite the contrary)

[x2drich2000]

I agree with Jim, the blue back and PSA 3.5 are not the same card. Notice the centering, to me, the blue back has a larger left border. Also, these two cards are not unique to having the missing border and red dot. Here is auction for another Walsh missing the border and with the dot.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1276508

DJ

[drumback]

No, I don't think they are the same card either, but they share common flaws that seem unlikely. Both have the a white spot, as mentioned before, above the back of the head. Noted, one is larger than the other. Also, both have a white mark just a bit above his shoulder near the right border. None of the other Chesbros on eBay currently have these flaws. Also, there is a small mark extending down at the middle of the bottom border. Probably just printing flaws that may exist on other samples, but it's interesting that none of the others on eBay have these flaws.

Is it possible the one was used as a template to create the blue back card? Doesn't seem likely, but if it was, the fakers have reached a level of sophistication that will fool veteran collectors. That's a scary thought.