T206 ed walsh blue old mill sgc 30!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by obcmac

Not yet...I think it's common to think a card is real, then hold it and think it's fake...rarer to say a card is fake, then hold it and think it's real.

I stole this scan from the old post on the card. It's a better young reprint with the blue old mill back. This card was sold as a fake...with a blue old mill back...and it still looks better than the walsh. Does anybody think the Walsh looks better than the young?

Yes. The print quality is very different.

While the color of the name and team can be a red flag, black or very dark brown is not a solid indicator of a fake, especially on a computer monitor where so many things affect the displayed color.

Steve B

[packs]

I still think its fake. The black lettering, the known reprinted back color, the weird wear and the fact that these blue reprints have been around for at least 20 years which is the same time the owner has said they've owned the card are all red flags to me. Then again SGC is the best no doubt. I would not make an offer on the card but that's just me.

Edited to add that even the seemingly one of one freak printing errors like ghost prints and cards printed with only yellow and brown ink or cards with huge splotches across their fronts and even cards with crazy over printed backs all appear in multiple examples of cards from this set.

[frohme]

I put a lot of faith in the board members and experts that have seen and held the card and deemed it legit. Everyone of you has more experience than I do in cards in general and T206 in particular.

That said ... while its hard to make a call from only seeing the posted images, my gut reaction from the front only was "it doesn't look right". Can't precisely explain why, but so be it - I'd pass on it as anything more than a curiosity.

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Mike

[jujudrum]

Mike, i agree with Your second point, though i am also one who has not seen this card in person.

However, over the course of 4+ decades, i've seen and owned more than my fair share of T206's, and based upon the scan alone, there is something that just doesn't seem right about this card.

Hopefully my impression is incorrect.

[Exhibitman]

I could not make a judgment off an atrocious photo like that.

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I could not make a judgment off an atrocious photo like that.

Next time I will get some professional equiptment for pics then.

For all you Nay Sayers I can say probably 100% of you have not even seen more than a pic. I have personally held the card raw, louped it, and hit it with a black light. Unless someone recreated the lithograpy spot on I will stand behind SGC and everyone else that handled the card. All that have seen it say its good. That solidifies it more than the guys looking at a computer screen saying no.

[packs]

I think people have a bigger issue with the lack of a reasonable explanation for how such a card could have been made in a sole individual printing. As I said every printing anomaly, even the most extreme of them, seem to have at least one other example except this card.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

Next time I will get some professional equiptment for pics then.

For all you Nay Sayers I can say probably 100% of you have not even seen more than a pic. I have personally held the card raw, louped it, and hit it with a black light. Unless someone recreated the lithograpy spot on I will stand behind SGC and everyone else that handled the card. All that have seen it say its good. That solidifies it more than the guys looking at a computer screen saying no.

I guess I'm a Nay Sayer so I feel compelled to respond. I have not seen the card in person & have never attempted to discredit anyone who has. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, mine is just different than others-and I am no "expert" by any means- but I have learned enough over the past 4-5 years to have hesitations about this card.

I guess people get annoyed that EVERYONE doesn't just accept the card because the majority already has-especially after SGC gives it their stamp of approval. In most cases, I would be on board with this scenario. My gut is holding me back- I don't know what else to say. A good friend from this board saw the card at the National and he also said it looked real. I HIGHLY value his opinion- but I am still skeptical.

This may sound stupid-but- did anyone who held the raw card "smell" it?
Just curious. And, by the way- card doctors know how to get around the "black light" and the "loupe" by now-ask Kevin S. (he responded about this card in the other thread).

I mean no disrespect to ANYONE who has seen the card in person and believes it to be real, I just want to be clear on that.

Sincerely, Clayton