I was the victim of shill bidding on ebay!

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by glchen

I thought you could not retract bids on the last day of the auction. If it were me, I would not pay.

Gary, I thought the rule currently was one could not retract w/in the last 4 hours aof the auction as I looked this up a few weeks ago...but alas, the rule has changed and a bid can now be retracted within the last seconds if the bidders chooses.
"If you meet any of the above conditions, consult the following table to determine if you meet the time restrictions for retracting the bid.

Time restrictions for retracting a bid

Listing ends in more than 12 hours
Yes

When you retract the bid, we remove all bids you placed on the item. If you are correcting a bidding error, you must bid again.

Listing ends in less than 12 hours
Yes, but only if you retract the bid within one hour of placing it
When you retract the bid, we remove only your most recent bid. Bids you placed prior to the last 12 hours of the listing are not removed."

http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-retract.html#cond

Nothing like continually changing policies until they fit an agenda. Why wouldn'y every dishanest seller do this? This is one stupid rule!

Steven Suckow

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's a lousy rule but there is an easy answer -- snipe.

[BlueDevil89]

If you believe that you have been a victim of shill bidding, you should report the incident to eBay. An eBay representative will likely contact you to understand why you think the seller was involved in shill bidding during the auction. They will then evaluate your case. If eBay agrees that there is evidence of shill bidding, they will offer you the option of either completing the transaction (if you wish to do so) or not paying for the card(s). You will not be penalized if you opt to not pay for the transaction.

Due to privacy reasons, eBay won't tell you what happens to the seller next. However, if you see the seller's account suspended within the next 24 hours, you'll have your answer. Also, eBay cooperates with authorities and turns over evidence of such cases to the proper jurisdiction when appropriate, as the practice is a crime.

In order to protect the eBay community and fellow collectors, it is important to report instances of shill bidding, to weed out those engaging in this practice.

[jimross]

I was a "victim" one time from a big auction house too since that was my first time bidding in their auction and didn't know they were allow to bid up their own auction. I got no where to complain or leave any neg feedback.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by jimross

I was a "victim" one time from a big auction house too since that was my first time bidding in their auction and didn't know they were allow to bid up their own auction. I got no where to complain or leave any neg feedback.

If the AH rules stated they could bid in their auction you had fair notice of the potential for a house bid and I don't think you have anything to complain about. Shilling on Ebay is against Ebay rules. It is the difference between having your car repo'd and having it stolen. Same outcome, but one is legit.

[jimross]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

If the AH rules stated they could bid in their auction you had fair notice of the potential for a house bid and I don't think you have anything to complain about. Shilling on Ebay is against Ebay rules. It is the difference between having your car repo'd and having it stolen. Same outcome, but one is legit.

Yup, I know. That's why I still paid in full and only treat that as my "lesson learnt".

[bh3443]

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 167
Items bid on: 39
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 92%
Bid retractions: 15
Bid retractions (6 months): 15
Here's the shill guy. 15 retractions!!!!!!! 92% with this seller?
The seller is, geeze, a member here, I think.........
Man, this is getting depressing!
Well, I'll stick to buying from my pal's like Jay at Quality and the rest of the guys here and ebay.
Seriously, what do you make of the info above?

[bh3443]

Thanks for everyone's kind words and input. I'm a big boy and will get over it.
For some reason, I'm surprised at how boldly this was done!
IIt just leaves a creepy feeling!

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by bh3443

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 167
Items bid on: 39
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 92%
Bid retractions: 15
Bid retractions (6 months): 15
Here's the shill guy. 15 retractions!!!!!!! 92% with this seller?
The seller is, geeze, a member here, I think.........
Man, this is getting depressing!
Well, I'll stick to buying from my pal's like Jay at Quality and the rest of the guys here and ebay.
Seriously, what do you make of the info above?

Some people throw the word "shilling" around in cases where it doesn't fit at all.

I think you have about as strong a case as I've seen, Bill.

It's always possible the shiller was interfering with the sellers auctions as a goof (a rising trend on ebay), but if he was doing it that many times, the seller should have caught on and blocked him long ago.

[BlueDevil89]

Originally Posted by bh3443

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 167
Items bid on: 39
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 92%
Bid retractions: 15
Bid retractions (6 months): 15
Here's the shill guy. 15 retractions!!!!!!! 92% with this seller?
The seller is, geeze, a member here, I think.........
Man, this is getting depressing!
Well, I'll stick to buying from my pal's like Jay at Quality and the rest of the guys here and ebay.
Seriously, what do you make of the info above?

Bill ---With the information above, your case with eBay is a lock. If you contact eBay to complain, not only will they cancel your transaction at your request, but they will also suspend the account of this seller. It will be an open and shut matter.

Do the community a favor and report the incident to eBay so other collectors don't get burned by this seller in the future.

[Tcards-Please]

The (alleged) shill bidder has done a fantastic job of raising the prices of ALL the seller's cards that ended within the past 24hrs and the seller seems to be getting the max amount from legitimate, unsuspecting buyers.

I certainly wouldn't be bidding on any of the seller's items.

added: the "alleged" shill bidder also bids on other items from this seller like: ladies golf clubs and men's wristwatch.

r/
Frank

[CW]

So is the seller's name "geeze" , or has that information not been shared yet for some reason??? Who is the seller?

[Jantz]

Bill

Sorry to hear this happened to you.

The dollar amount shouldn't matter.

Report the seller.

If it were me, I would also put their alter-bidding account name in the negative feedback reply that I left for them on Ebay.

Hope this ends well for you.


Jantz

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by CW

So is the seller's name "geeze" , or has that information not been shared yet for some reason??? Who is the seller?

+1, tell us who the seller is!

[buymycards]

The new rules also won't allow you to leave negative feedback until 7 days after the auction closes. This policy allows time for you and the seller to work it out.

Another great policy by ebay. By the 7th day the seller can file a NPB against you and you won't be able to leave a negative.

Rick

Originally Posted by CW

So is the seller's name "geeze" , or has that information not been shared yet for some reason??? Who is the seller?

+2. At this point I could care less anymore. Simply due to the fact that the sellers name/eBay id has not been given to protect the rest of us. I'm sorry you got shilled but protecting the sellers id is the same as saying its ok IMO. Bill we all think very highly of you and respect you greatly. If this guy is a board member we definitely have the right to know. Man the pitchforks and torches boys!!!!! Lmao. Always wanted to say that. Lol

[egbeachley]

The underbidder is similar to the profile of verklempt123

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by bh3443

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 167
Items bid on: 39
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 92%
Bid retractions: 15
Bid retractions (6 months): 15
Here's the shill guy. 15 retractions!!!!!!! 92% with this seller?
The seller is, geeze, a member here, I think.........
Man, this is getting depressing!
Well, I'll stick to buying from my pal's like Jay at Quality and the rest of the guys here and ebay.
Seriously, what do you make of the info above?

Crikey, that has to be one of the more blatant case of shill bidding that I have seen in a while. Report the seller to Ebay and snipe your purchases in the future!

[jbbama]

I see it all the time, mainly with higher dollar cards with many bids/bidders ...ebay could care less. They just want their fees.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Gary, I thought the rule currently was one could not retract w/in the last 4 hours aof the auction as I looked this up a few weeks ago...but alas, the rule has changed and a bid can now be retracted within the last seconds if the bidders chooses.
"If you meet any of the above conditions, consult the following table to determine if you meet the time restrictions for retracting the bid.

Time restrictions for retracting a bid

Listing ends in more than 12 hours
Yes

When you retract the bid, we remove all bids you placed on the item. If you are correcting a bidding error, you must bid again.

Listing ends in less than 12 hours
Yes, but only if you retract the bid within one hour of placing it
When you retract the bid, we remove only your most recent bid. Bids you placed prior to the last 12 hours of the listing are not removed."

http://pages.ebay.com/help/buy/bid-retract.html#cond

Nothing like continually changing policies until they fit an agenda. Why wouldn'y every dishanest seller do this? This is one stupid rule!

Steven Suckow

Ridiculous!

Ebay needs to clamp down on habitual retracting.

Only reasons for it, is to shill an auction or interfere with an auction.

Instead they open the Pandora's box. God forbid we put any kind of restriction on "BIDDING" activities, no matter how nonsensical it is.