Seemingly enhanced/altered Harry Truman signed baseball featured on haulsofshame.com

travrosty · #1 08-12-2012, 12:58 PM

i dont know , but there will never be such a competition because they know they would lose. it would have to be an impartial third party who selected the autographs, both real and fake, and see who gets the most right, with no exemplars present, just off of memory. I would love just a joe louis contest, they are clueless when it comes to Louis, a total abomination.

JimStinson · #2 08-12-2012, 02:46 PM

I would love to participate in that contest. Where is it going to be held? I've done over 150 private signings with boxers alone so I know a little about that. Italy-Argentina-Thailand-UK....lots of miles under my belt ...I'd love to give it a shot. Is there a "handicap"?

travrosty · #3 08-12-2012, 03:20 PM

you have to drink for a couple hours to give me a sporting chance

JimStinson · #4 08-12-2012, 03:25 PM

I'll do that ...as long as its a "light" beverage like JAGER or MAKERS MARK

JimStinson · #5 08-12-2012, 03:42 PM

When I used to drink in Havana , I drank Hemingway's drink which he invented and called a "Papa Doble" , which is a double daquari , easy on the sugar.
Well I was drinking at a place called "the Plaza of the Church" in English and I ordered my Papa Doble. and the waiter brought me TWO POTATOES ! which in correct spanish "papas Doble" means 2 potatoes...

By the way Ernest's record which still stands at "The Floridita" where they invented the Daquiri is 17 "Papa Doble's"

JimStinson · #6 08-12-2012, 03:56 PM

So to be fair I'll make that my "handicap"

travrosty · #7 08-12-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStinson

So to be fair I'll make that my "handicap"

how do i know it wouldnt make you better at it after a papa doble? haha

I did buy about 25 or so of your signed photos from your boxing signing series, all heavyweights or light heavyweights.

You had said once Zarate was a no show, did you ever get him?

travrosty · #8 08-12-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStinson

I'll do that ...as long as its a "light" beverage like JAGER or MAKERS MARK

I was going to ask what's a heavy beverage, anti-freeze?

then i saw the papa-doble post!!!

I recognize there are several good boxing autograph guys that I would have my work cut out for and I am not claiming to be the very best but for sure none of them work for psa or jsa. they still dont have a boxing consultant listed, and the one ali guy on jsa stated publicly, but anonymously that he trusts the long time boxing dealers over the big companies "all day and twice on sunday" and that the big companies make egregious mistakes.

once jsa saw that they dropped his name from their consultant list.

when spence calls this a real luis firpo autograph like he did for the hake auction, we are all in trouble.

compare this ridiculous firpo to a real one i got directly from a collector in Argentina.

JimStinson · #9 08-12-2012, 04:06 PM

LOL....I can't drink 17 Doubles ......The 2nd Firpo compares favorabily to the few I've seen , In defense though he's so scarce I've only seen a couple known real ones.

JimStinson · #10 08-12-2012, 04:11 PM

My dear friend Boxing historian Hank Kaplan once showed me the only known "Benny Kid Paret" autograph I've ever seen and Hank and I used to joke that his autograph looked like me was suspended from the ceiling upside down while spinning in a circle while he signed it. Yet I have seen several offered for sale with certs, its laughable

travrosty · #11 08-12-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStinson

LOL....I can't drink 17 Doubles ......The 2nd Firpo compares favorabily to the few I've seen , In defense though he's so scarce I've only seen a couple known real ones.

there are not a lot around, pretty scarce autograph. I had to sell mine though but my friend in argentina, you never know what they have in that box of autographs, maybe more firpo's. She has Alejandro Lavorante, Ringo Bonavena, other Argentinian fighters, and she had a good marciano signed album page, the husband was a longtime collector of autographs.

mighty bombjack · #12 08-12-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

i dont know , but there will never be such a competition because they know they would lose. it would have to be an impartial third party who selected the autographs, both real and fake, and see who gets the most right, with no exemplars present, just off of memory. I would love just a joe louis contest, they are clueless when it comes to Louis, a total abomination.

See, my point was that someone would have to select the real and fake autos. So, the contest would be one of who agrees or disagrees with the judge more. Who would the judge be? Who is never wrong?

travrosty · #13 08-12-2012, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

See, my point was that someone would have to select the real and fake autos. So, the contest would be one of who agrees or disagrees with the judge more. Who would the judge be? Who is never wrong?

nobody is never wrong. but the third party judge could pick autos with information about them that the participants don't have, like impeccable provenance, in person autos with the recipients still living, and so forth.

not a perfect system but the chances that one autograph making the difference and being in dispute to taint the whole contest would hopefully be slim.

i know if two guys were involved and asked me to be the judge, i am confident i could find a bunch of autographs i knew were good and bad because i would have a lot of time to pick the autographs and use outside help too. the trick is to find some that are not dead on or dead off because you need some of them a little challenging, but not a trick autograph either that doesnt give clues as to its authenticity. i.e. a real autograph written left handed by a righty who did it as a lark. I would have fun doing the contest with anybody I knew had real experience, because maybe i would lose or win by one or two autographs and nothing to be ashamed of, but i know i could beat psa, because they say they know boxing, but do they really? Mix in a preprint, stamp or secretarial in there too. make it a hard test but fair. Losing to psa would be quite embarrassing I would admit but i'm not too worried, they ain't taking me up on the offer because who is their best boxing guy, steve grad? they are the ones who said they needed help in boxing, i am afraid they still do.

http://www.fighttoys.com/PSAHolyfield.htm

http://www.fighttoys.com/PSAMarciano2.htm

psa used to have a contest at the national to test peoples authentication skill, they called it the psa world series of autograph authentication or whatever, richard bond won the first year and mark theotikos won the second year, and then they stopped doing it. but they had some silly time limit and is that what authentication is all about, rushing somebody?

RichardSimon · #14 08-13-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

psa used to have a contest at the national to test peoples authentication skill, they called it the psa world series of autograph authentication or whatever, richard bond won the first year and mark theotikos won the second year, and then they stopped doing it. but they had some silly time limit and is that what authentication is all about, rushing somebody?

Well that was just a precursor to the PSA philosophy of getting the work done quickly. Can you imagine a time limit on autograph authentication?? Ridiculous.
And I was not an entrant if anyone was going to ask that question.

travrosty · #15 08-13-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Well that was just a precursor to the PSA philosophy of getting the work done quickly. Can you imagine a time limit on autograph authentication?? Ridiculous.
And I was not an entrant if anyone was going to ask that question.

They used their own template of "under the gun" "beat the clock" authentication" Plus authenticating in that contest by scan only. Nice.

They should bring it back. See who can authenticate the fastest.

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