Mastro indicted

[shelly]

The King is dead. Long live the King. It is really easy to hope someone goes to jail or even dies for the mistakes they made. It is amazing to me just how quick you can go from great to a piece of garbage. I think some of you might remember when Mastro was the king and you where his subjects.

I am more interested in all the people that authenticated for the King. Those are the people that allowed his royal subjects to buy and buy and buy. The card was always known to be a joke. Read the book or better yet play dumb.

Mastro, like me, has already cut a deal. I can tell you that none of you are going to be happy. BigJJ is wrong. Federal is a lot better than state. I know. He will go to a camp and do his time. He did not kill, rape or sell drugs to anyone. He did what many of you know. He lied cheated and defrauded people. This will pass like most things until the next guy gets arrested. Then the outrage will begin again. Welcome to Net 54.Shelly Jaffe Leon wanted to make sure you know who wrote this.

Try and remember the people in Colorado.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by shelly

He did not kill, rape or sell drugs to anyone. He did what many of you know. He lied cheated and defrauded people.

Well... I guess he's a saint, then.

Nice to have a felon's take on this, though.

[BigJJ]

"go to a camp", what is this, new jersey housewives? Sure sounds like you believe prison may be a result.
In any event I wish nothing but peace and happiness for all, including those charged. Was asked for a relevant attorney's read, have experience in defending criminal charges, and I would pick state charges over federal charges any day of the week for the aforementioned reasons.
But what you may mean is that serving time is best in a lower security federal prison than a state prison, I have heard this is very much the case. So I think it's a greater likelihood of sentence, and longer sentence, with the Feds, but under better conditions, than state.

[thekingofclout]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shelly
He did not kill, rape or sell drugs to anyone. He did what many of you know. He lied cheated and defrauded people.

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Well... I guess he's a saint, then.

Nice to have a felon's take on this, though.

Well Shelly. You walked right into that one.

[danc]

Fuddjcal is correct. And the Coach continues to survive? I hope it's Jorge Posada. Also, ignore David, Shelly. David has nothing better to do with his life than take cheap shots.

DanC

[David Atkatz]

Cheap shots, huh? Shelly Jaffe is nothing but a dishonest opportunist. He was never a collector, and only saw "the hobby" as an easy way to fleece the unsuspecting. The instant he thought the authorities were on to him (and I mean the instant--read "Operation Bullpen") he offered to sell out his fellows. As he himself related above, he did a bid in a Federal summer camp, and now he presents himself as a hobby white knight.

You can welcome him with open arms if you want to, Dan, but I ain't buyin' it.

Go back to buying and selling scrap metal, Shel.

[David Atkatz]

You don't seem to mind badmouthing another hobby lowlife, Dan. Perhaps Justin Priddy will wind up a guest of the Feds, do his bid, and discover religion. Then you can welcome him as the next hobby savior.

[danc]

In your world David, people don't change. The whole hobby is full of criminals that have never been caught or will never get caught. S--t, the whole hobby is full of them and you give them more credit than someone who admits to what he did was wrong, paid his dues in jail, doesn't sell autographs and works to better the hobby? Take a look at a man at his present, not his past if he has changed his way, than offer forgiveness.

Unless it's Sandusky. :-)

DanC

[David Atkatz]

"Works to better the hobby," my ass. He works to gain recognition for himself as something other than what he is.

I'll forgive him when he stays away from the hobby.

[danc]

I hate all these authenticators (most all of them) and what Shelly did doesn't compare to what some authenticators have done. He didn't forge or authenticate, but he witnessed and partook in the scheme and he did do his time.

It's a crime (anything that has to do with this hobby), but it's not murder. I think authenticators whose sole goal is to deceit a customer is as bad as the forger because he legitimizes the entire operation. There seems to be no penalty for anyone who opens up shop, proclaims themselves to be an expert and contributes to legitimizing a criminal operation.

DanC

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by shelly

The King is dead. Long live the King. It is really easy to hope someone goes to jail or even dies for the mistakes they made. It is amazing to me just how quick you can go from great to a piece of garbage. I think some of you might remember when Mastro was the king and you where his subjects.

I am more interested in all the people that authenticated for the King. Those are the people that allowed his royal subjects to buy and buy and buy. The card was always known to be a joke. Read the book or better yet play dumb.

Mastro, like me, has already cut a deal. I can tell you that none of you are going to be happy. BigJJ is wrong. Federal is a lot better than state. I know. He will go to a camp and do his time. He did not kill, rape or sell drugs to anyone. He did what many of you know. He lied cheated and defrauded people. This will pass like most things until the next guy gets arrested. Then the outrage will begin again. Welcome to Net 54.Shelly Jaffe Leon wanted to make sure you know who wrote this.

Try and remember the people in Colorado.

Shelly, a large part of the reason anyone was Mastro's "subject" was because he committed massive fraud in his auction business, getting fraudulently-inflated prices for his consignors who then continued to give him more and more cards to sell. I don't care how many lepers' feet he washes, he's still a lowlife who stole not just from strangers but from his friends as well -- all the while abusing anyone who dared to step in his path of destruction.

And just because he didn't "kill, rape or sell drugs" doesn't change the fact that he's a loathesome piece of shit. Charles Manson was a nice guy once too.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I do not know this Shelly or if he did a stint at camp walk away, but as at least one other eluded, Federal sentancing guidelines are no joke. Anyone who is familiar with federal court or federal defense knows that by the time you're indicted, you're done. They also know that if you were the focus of the investigation, YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON. It all depends on the judge who has the case and the US attorney assigned to the case how long that will be. If anyone wants to put money on that, i'm taking bets.

[barrysloate]

If you're taking bets about whether or not someone is going to prison, you can't do so anonymously. You have to put your name out.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If you're taking bets about whether or not someone is going to prison, you can't do so anonymously. You have to put your name out.

Why? He isn't disparaging anyone or company, imo.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why? He isn't disparaging anyone or company, imo.

If he says "by the time you're indicted, you're done..."YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON" wouldn't that be disparaging the defendants? Perhaps you don't agree.

[earlywynnfan]

Is anyone but me curious as to why Mastro only had one count, where the other two had multiple? I wonder if Allen is a bit of a fall guy here (no, not even remotely saying he's innocent.)

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If he says "by the time you're indicted, you're done..."YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON" wouldn't that be disparaging the defendants? Perhaps you don't agree.

To me that was absolutely a blanket statement. And even IF it was meant towards the recent indicted people it's nothing that isn't already front line news and in several threads on this board. I try not to force hands when I don't need to, but definitely don't mind doing it if it does need to be done.....as evidenced this morning in another thread. In that one, the person that crossed the line had already been spoken with by me, on the phone, before that. He knew if he kept it up then I would make the decision for him, which I did.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If he says "by the time you're indicted, you're done..."YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON" wouldn't that be disparaging the defendants? Perhaps you don't agree.

Now we're worried about 'disparaging the defendants?' Really? Barry -- worry about the victims, not the guys who ripped us all off.

[brookdodger55]

Maybe Calvindog Can answer this or anyone else with legal experience ?

If an item was put into Mastro's auction and illegal activity took place with inflated prices. Can the seller of the item who recieved an inflated price (Possibly
illegally) be subjected to a clawback of illegal profits that were realized. (Can what happened in the Bernie Madoff case happen in this case with illegal profits). Any info greatly appecieated.

[shelly]

Calvindog. I agree with you. I was just bring out the point that those people that want to see him behind( bars )I feel are not going to be happy. I think he will be sent to a Federal camp (club fed) for around 2 and half years then a half way house. He has already made his deal and will go through the motions. In about four to six months he will be sentenced. You have to go through all this stuff until you plead guilty. If the lawyers on here will verify that it would be nice. Calvin if you read my thread I think I said the same thing about him as you did.
I would not take the bet. He is going away be assured.

I would not be surprised that restitution will be part of the sentencing. That will be a very long list of victims!